arnoldo

You have your faith, I have mine. For example, Do you have proof that God doesn't exist? What existed before the Big Bang? How did living material spring out of non-living material? How did mankind evolve from an ape- like creature? I don't think you have all of the answers for those questions but by faith perhaps you accept you are a product of evolution. On the other hand the bible taken as a whole is extremely accurate and the mere fact that Israel and the Jewish people exist this very moment has fulfilled many bible prophecies which otherwise would be statistically impossible due to mere chance alone.
*Thanks for the historical info I will be examining it*

Johnny Skeptic

No, God never ordered Jews to sacrifice animals. The Jews copies that practice from pagan cultures. New Testament writers pirated Judaism and conveniently revised it. A loving God would have no need of requiring people to kill animals or his ownly begotten Son.

After Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, why did God force animals to kill each other?

I challenge you to produce evidence that there are fair, worthy, and just goals that God is not able to achieve without injuring and killing people and innocent animals with hurricanes.

Yes you. Since you believe that the Egyptians held the Jews captive for generations, and mistreated them, you have to believe that God punished Jewish babies for their parents' disobedience.

But generational curses are wrong and unnecessary. If the God fo the Bible does not exist, that explains why generational blessings and curses exist. If the God of the Bible does exist, that does not explain why unfair generational curses exist.

No, today, God's still kills people and innocent animals just like he always has, and he still refuses to protect women from rapists just like he always has.

Johnny Skeptic

Since I am agnostic, obviously not.

Same as before.

No it isn't. The accurate non-supernatural claims that are in the Bible do not reasonably prove anything. All cultures record secular events that happen where they live.

On the contrary, the partition of Palestine is a self-fulfilled prophecy. No Bible, no partition of Palestine. It is as simple at that.

Regarding your claim that the Bible predicts in the end times many nations would be concerned about what happens in Israel, I already successfully refuted that argument. Here is the proof:

Regarding the predictions that the Jewish people would be scattered, since they were made AFTER the Jews were kicked out of Palestine, they were not predictions at all.

The partition of Palestine did not fulfill one single Bible prophecy that can be reasonably proven to have been inspired by God.

Johnny Skeptic

No it isn't. Genesis 17:8 requires that in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled, Jews have to possess ALL of the land of Canaan. Today, the Jews do not occupy nearly all of Palestine. Following your same line of reasoning, if the Jews occupied only one square mile of Palestine, that would be a fulfillment of prophecy.

It is important to note that the everlasting part of Genesis 17:8 cannot be fulfilled unless Jews occupy all of Palestine. I predict that they never will, especially since God has told lies before.

arnoldo

The Jews will one day occupy all of Palestine, that is why it's called a prophecy,ie, something that will happen in the future.

The fact that you may misunderstand or misinterpret a particular scripture does not mean that God lied.

Johnny Skeptic

You don't know that. He might have given up Judasim when God did not give Canaan to him.

You don't know that either. What historical evidence do you have to back up those claims?

[quote=arnoldo= According to history the Jews have in some way shape or form been a part of that land since Abraham dwelt there.[/quote]

But that does not prove anything. Muslims have been in Palestine as long as Jews have been in Palestine. So what?

No it won't.

Better stated, the fact that you may misunderstand or misinterpret a particular scripture does not mean that God told the truth. It is already well established that God did not fulfill Genesis 17:8.

The partition of Palestine is a self-fulfilled prophecy. No Bible, no partition of Palestine. It is that simple.

Johnny Skeptic

That does not work. Since the Middle East contains the largest oil reserves in the world, regardless of which countries were involved, most countries would be concerned with what happens in the Middle East.

Regarding the predictions that the Jewish people would be scattered, since they were made AFTER the Jews were kicked out of Palestine, they were not predictions at all.

The partition of Palestine did not fulfill one single Bible prophecy that can be reasonably proven to have been inspired by God. Following your same line of reasoning, if the Jews occupied only one square mile of land, that would be a fulfillment of prophecy.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: After Jesus supposedly rose from the dead, the vast majority of Jews were non-Christians. Non-Christian Jews would still have considered themselves to be under Old Testament law. That means that they would have still killed their own people for working on the Sabbath, for cursing at their parents, and for practicing the freedom of religion by worshipping other Gods. Do you believe that God considering those actions to be good behavior?

After Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, why did God force animals to kill each other?

arnoldo

He did rise from the dead, just like the nation of Israel "rose from the dead" in 1948
How do you know that this went on? Do the orthodox Jews in Israel right now go around killing other people for breaking the sabbath?
No, Jesus in fact was accussed of breaking the Sabbath several times and was threatened to be stoned for doing such.
The entire earth was placed under a curse due to man's disobedience. A prophecy states that in the millenium "the lion and lamb" will be together,ie, animals will no longer kill each other.

arnoldo

Wrong, the difference is many prophecies indicate that now that Israel is back in the land it will never be uprooted again. Israel was reborn in 1948 and miraculoulsy has survived many wars attempting to wipe it off the map which in and of itself is fulfillment of bible prophecy.