Chili

I like the star of Bethlehem but the problem is that when the Magi arrived at the stable Joseph was not home.

(I suspect that he was out preaching the gospel already like a good boy, which finally is the mandate that Matthew left behind).

Jeffrey Gibson

There is no stable in Matthew, nor any hint in his Gospel that Jesus was born in one.

Where was Mary? Was she also not at home?

And how on earth would Joseph know what the Gospel of Jesus (or of Matthew) was since Jesus (and/or Matthew) wouldn't formulate it for some time yet?

Jeffrey

Chili

Thanks for that Jeffrey but that is really too bad because the stable represents the vacant conscious mind wherein the manger was used to feed the now passified ox and mule to effectively designate it as vacant, and this means vacant as in 'beyond reason' and so 'beyond theology' and thus beyond Oxford as well.

Of course Mary was there and so was Jesus (Mat.2:11) but it now appears that she may have had an abortion wherein Matthew's Jesus was from his mother's womb untimely ripped which was a common practice in those days and the very reason that Luke was written.

Matthew was the role model of his mandate there being exposed and be juxtaposed with Luke's "as the father has send you, so I am sending you" while showing his stigmata as he send them forth.

So the difference between these two is that the transfomation of the world (and so by extension of the bread and wine in John), must take place in the mind of the believer instead of in the world around him. A Buddhist would say here that if you want to walk on leather it is much easier to put on leather shoes than to carpet the world with leather (and I add this to show that they have a simliar problem in their philosophy).

Chili

But wait a second please. Miracles only appear to happen as seen from below but in the realty where no 'super' in the natural is to be found a rational explanation must exist.

The difference between these two can be summarized with the word 'oblivion' and that is what stargazing is all about to make this a beautiful allegory.

My personal short summary statement here is that Matthew's Joseph just got ran over by the Q-train and got out of there before it came again (kind of like what happened to Camus in the Congo).

Jeffrey Gibson

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Chili

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Jeffrey Gibson

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credoconsolans

Yes, but what is most important in a human world? Seems to me proving that a woman can become pregnant without any sexual contact whatsoever would be the more important "miracle" or natural aberration to investigate since it impacts humanity a great deal more than say, a supernova coming and going in a distant galaxy.

Chili

That may be true but this is a pathenocarpic impregnation of the firstborn to be conceived in the mind of Joseph therefore, and bring forth that which he was created to be and was conceived by the now called Immaculate Conception already before he was conceived in the flesh (as depicted in Luke's lineage I venture to say).

To this Mary theotokos was send down as the young maiden from the naos of Joseph, there called the city of God, wherein Mary was conceived and created by the devoted ark builder as the perfect image of mortal beauty to bring forth the firstborn of the clan of Joseph in Israel of old that is here now updated and recreated anew. She therefore is called the Ark of the Covenant wherein is contained the entire city of God of Joseph our hero to be exposed as his richess in heaven and be venerated in adornment for the rest of the world to see, or simply put: he is the sum total of his incarnation or solitary individual without an equal because for him heaven and earth are one and the same, which then is where Rev. 22 joins Genesis 2:2.

credoconsolans

It was? How so?