Originally Posted by patcleaver

There is no such thing as an ordinary man who was mythicized.

There are thousands of stories that are entirely made up, and there are thousands of stories of famous people who have been mythicized, but there is NOT EVEN ONE CASE that I know where an ordinary man was mythicized. Your idea that Jesus was an ordinary man that was mythicized is ludicrous.



That is not what you are claiming that Jesus did. You are claiming that Jesus arranged to have the events of his life have parallels in the Jewish Scripture in the hope of being mistaken for the messiah and written about. If Jesus had wanted to be remembers as the messiah, then all he would have had to do is to pay some Mark to write some story in which events in his life parallel parts of the Jewish Scriptures.

How did Jesus arrange to have his mother be a virgin and his father be Yahweh?

How did Jesus orchestrate the conspiracy disclosed in the gospels between the Pharisees and the Sadducees and the Romans to kill Jesus.

How did he arrange to be crucified for an offense that was punishable by stoning?

How did he arrange his arrest in the garden of Gethsemane and a trial in front of the Sanhedrin and another trial in front of Harrod and another trial in front of Pilot, so that he would be crucified on Passover.

Your proposal has no merit at all.

How did Jesus orchestrate a triumphant march into Jerusalem with a cheering crowd of thousands laying down their cloaks - was that another massive conspiracy.

Fiction is a lot simpler explanation then massive conspiracies, impossible events, impossible dialog.

There was no historical Jesus.

Originally Posted by GakuseiDon

Pat, are you aa__? It's a serious question. At first, I thought you sounded like aa__, and thought to make a comment to that affect. But then your confident declarations at the end of each point is so similar to how aa posts, that I am seriously wondering if you are, indeed, aa__?