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Clivedurdle · 02-27-2009, 09:02 AM

http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/bios/cleopas.htm

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Cleopas of Emmaus:
His Testimony to Jesus and the Resurrection

An Easter Sermon by Fred G. Zaspel I suppose I should begin by introducing myself. My name is Cleo. Cleo Davidson. You have probably heard of me on occasion--Luke mentions me once in his gospel account by my proper name, Cleopas. But I doubt that you know very much about me. I tell you what, though, when it comes to Jesus and His resurrection, I have more to say than most anyone else you could want to meet.
Let me tell you a little about myself. Actually, you have read more about me than you probably know. Luke is not the only Biblical writer to mention my name. John also mentions me as the husband of one of the women named "Mary" standing near the cross. My given name was Chalphai in Aramaic. In Greek that can be transliterated as either Clopas or Halphaios--which in Latin is Alphaeus. That, you may remember, is the name given as the father of James in all four of the lists of 12 disciples in the NT--"James the Less/younger," Mark 15:40; not to be confused with the older James of Zebedee, Jesus' cousin on His mother's side.
But you see, if people would just learn to read more closely to the details, they would find that I am not such an insignificant nobody after all! I am the father of one of the 12 apostles. I am the husband of one of the women who stood near the cross--and who went early that Sunday morning to Jesus' tomb. My family was at the very heart of the circle of Jesus' followers throughout his ministry and up to the very end.
In fact, you may be interested to know that my acquaintance with Jesus is much closer still. A few of you may have read Eusebius, the fourth century church historian. Why neither Matthew, Mark, Luke, nor John record this, I'll never know--but Eusebius preserves the information that I am the brother of Joseph of Nazareth--Jesus' legal father. Jesus, you see, was my nephew--"Uncle Cleo" He used to call me. My acquaintance with Jesus goes back as far as His very birth--although then, I must admit, I had real questions as to why my brother Joseph would marry a pregnant woman--his sense of justice and all.

JoeWallack · 02-28-2009, 07:47 AM

JW:
From Eusebius:

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/250103.htm

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Chapter 11. Symeon rules the Church of Jerusalem after James.

1. After the martyrdom of James and the conquest of Jerusalem which immediately followed, it is said that those of the apostles and disciples of the Lord that were still living came together from all directions with those that were related to the Lord according to the flesh (for the majority of them also were still alive) to take counsel as to who was worthy to succeed James.

2. They all with one consent pronounced Symeon, the son of Clopas, of whom the Gospel also makes mention; to be worthy of the episcopal throne of that parish. He was a cousin, as they say, of the Saviour. For Hegesippus records that Clopas was a brother of Joseph.

JW:
The offending verse:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php?title=John_19:25

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These things therefore the soldiers did. But there were standing by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother`s sister, Mary the [wife] of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. (ASV)

JW:
Per "John" Mary, the wife of Clopas, seems to be Jesus' mother's sister. Per Eusebius, Clopas was the brother of Jesus' father Joseph. Combining these, Jesus' father's brother married Jesus' mother's sister. That's possible.

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Gorit Maqueda · 03-01-2009, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeWallack

JW:
The offending verse:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php?title=John_19:25

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These things therefore the soldiers did. But there were standing by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother`s sister, Mary the [wife] of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. (ASV)

JW:
Per "John" Mary, the wife of Clopas, seems to be Jesus' mother's sister. Per Eusebius, Clopas was the brother of Jesus' father Joseph. Combining these, Jesus' father's brother married Jesus' mother's sister. That's possible.

Is it possible than, in John 19:25, "his mother`s sister" means "his mother's sister-in-law"? Greek-of-those-times experts?

spin · 03-01-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorit Maqueda

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Originally Posted by JoeWallack

JW:
The offending verse: John_19:25

JW:
Per "John" Mary, the wife of Clopas, seems to be Jesus' mother's sister. Per Eusebius, Clopas was the brother of Jesus' father Joseph. Combining these, Jesus' father's brother married Jesus' mother's sister. That's possible.

Is it possible than, in John 19:25, "his mother`s sister" means "his mother's sister-in-law"? Greek-of-those-times experts?

LXX Ruth 1:15 uses the word sunnumfos for sister-in-law, so there is a word available. "Sister-in-law" wasn't a suggestion from Liddell and Scott for adelfh.

spin

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