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Enda80 · 01-12-2006, 02:19 PM

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TomboyMom · 01-12-2006, 03:52 PM

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Another important historical fact mentioned in the Bible is that upon Christ's death there was darkness over all the earth for about 3 hours. This could not have been a simple eclipse because they never last that long, and also this occurred at Passover time when there was a full moon, and solar eclipses cannot happen during a full moon. Non-believers ask why a worldwide darkness for 3 full hours was not recorded by anyone but the Gospel writers. In fact, it was. Pagan historian Thallus, writing in 52 AD recorded that, at the Passover of 32 AD, there was a lengthy period of worldwide darkness.

This was an interesting part of your website.

Half-Life

Does the fact that you are mistaken, and that no other historian or record of the period mentions this amazing phenomenon, affect in any way your willingness to beleive this or other biblical assertions?

countjulian · 01-12-2006, 06:58 PM

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Half-Life · 01-13-2006, 12:03 AM

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Did not Mithra come about after Christianity? Around 500 or so years later?

Asha'man · 01-13-2006, 05:15 AM

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Did not Mithra come about after Christianity? Around 500 or so years later?

No. Well, sorta. There are two religions based on a name like Mithra, one is Persian and one is Roman. The Persian one predated Christianity. The Roman one probably co-existed with Christianity for the first couple of centuries. There is some question about how one version of Mithra links to the other, no clear answer is available.

It is pretty clear that the Roman Mithra shared a number of similarities with Christianity, but it's not clear which group copied from which.

Asha'man · 01-13-2006, 05:19 AM

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Another important historical fact mentioned in the Bible is that upon Christ's death there was darkness over all the earth for about 3 hours.

It's important to know that nobody on earth noticed this darkness and left a record of it. There were quite a few societies with both early astronomy and writing, but not a single one recorded this "historical fact", which very clearly makes it a "historical lie."

dark empathy · 01-13-2006, 10:25 AM

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countjulian · 01-13-2006, 12:04 PM

[Did not Mithra come about after Christianity? Around 500 or so years later?]

No, off by about a mile there. We have areaological evidence of a Mithraeum in anatolia from around 50 AD, off by about 450 years there buddy. Many seem to have been aware of Mithraism, but few of Christianity; if there was burrowing, it went from Mithra to Jesus, not vice verse.

And also, what off the ages old gods like Aesclepius, Heracles, Perseus, Osiris, Isis, et al that pre-date Christianity by hundreds of years, all mentioned in my compilation?

mikem · 01-13-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Half-Life

Another important historical fact mentioned in the Bible is that upon Christ's death there was darkness over all the earth for about 3 hours. This could not have been a simple eclipse because they never last that long, and also this occurred at Passover time when there was a full moon, and solar eclipses cannot happen during a full moon. Non-believers ask why a worldwide darkness for 3 full hours was not recorded by anyone but the Gospel writers. In fact, it was. Pagan historian Thallus, writing in 52 AD recorded that, at the Passover of 32 AD, there was a lengthy period of worldwide darkness.

This was an interesting part of your website.

The gospels also record that the veil of the temple was torn in two, and the bodies of the dead came out of their graves and were seen by many. The whole narrative, which occurs in all the synoptics is heavy with symbolism, and is a good example of how the synoptics use allusions from the Old Testament to make theological points. In this case it was about how Jesus's death is a judgement on the old world, and the beginning of a new era. I am not sure whether the reader is meant to take it as history as well, but it's main purpose is theological.

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countjulian Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the torture chambers of Pinochet's Chile Posts: 2,112	[Did not Mithra come about after Christianity? Around 500 or so years later?] No, off by about a mile there. We have areaological evidence of a Mithraeum in anatolia from around 50 AD, off by about 450 years there buddy. Many seem to have been aware of Mithraism, but few of Christianity; if there was burrowing, it went from Mithra to Jesus, not vice verse. And also, what off the ages old gods like Aesclepius, Heracles, Perseus, Osiris, Isis, et al that pre-date Christianity by hundreds of years, all mentioned in my compilation?

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