dark empathy

proof??

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html
http://www.kingdavid8.com/homepage.html


hahah welcome to the magic castle!!!!!!

discuss....

Vorkosigan

Bog-standard apologetics, DE. Straight from Lee Strobel and Gary Habermas. Enjoy yourself here!

Michael

SLD

Perhaps this is a minor point, but I check on some of the claims at the website, in particular Aesculapius. I noticed that it made several copycat claims and makes his standard rebuttal. But then I clicked on the wikipedia link and realized that the author of this site is ignoring that Aesculapius was also born of a virgin-god union.

Perhaps it is not that important, but it is a trend I seem to see in Christian clalims, and that is not so much outright deception and lies, as ignoring other parallels and/or parts of the bible as well.

ETA: I also checked the comparison between Caesar and Jesus and noticed that he ignored that Caesar was said to have been born of a virgin.

OK.

SLD

PostMortem

Dark empathy, what in or about that site makes you believe that what they are saying is correct? (Or is it your site?)

Have you spent time comparing it with other viewpoints? Is there anything on that sight that you don't agree with 100percent?

Or is it just a case of the site confirming your beliefs, so no reason (or reasoning) needed?

countjulian

I have covered this subject myself. Here is a list that's a bit harder to dispute than Archay S.'s material and strawmen set up by apologetics:

The Greek god Perseus, born of the virgin Danae and Zeus in a shower of gold:

Perseus, the son of Jove [Zeus] and her whom, in her prison, Juppiter’s [Zeus’] golden shower made fertile. — Metamorphoses 4.697

The Greek god Heracles (known to you under his Roman name, Hercules), who died in agony, was resurrected, and ascended to heaven:

Heracles, whom she had by Zeus…the poison of the hydra began to corrode his skin…and [he] tore off the tunic, which clung to his body, so that his flesh was torn away with it. In such a sad plight he was carried on shipboard to Trachis… [Heracles] proceeded to Mount Oeta, in the Trachinian territory, and there constructed a pyre, mounted it, and gave orders to kindle it. When no one would do so, Poeas, passing by to look for his flocks, set a light to it. On him Hercules bestowed his bow. While the pyre was burning, it is said that a cloud passed under Hercules and with a peal of thunder wafted him up to heaven. Thereafter he obtained immortality-- Apollodorus, 'The Library,' 11; IV, 8-VII, 7

The Greek god Asclepius, who made the blind see, raised men from the dead, died, and was resurrected:

"Asclepius was the son of Apollo [a god] and Coronis [a mortal woman]...he healed many sick whose lives had been despaired of, and... he brought back to life many who had died."—Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History, 4.7.1.1- 2

When Hippolytus was killed,...Asclepius raised him from the dead."—Pausanias, Corinth, Description of Greece, 1.27.5

Hermon of Thasus. His blindness was cured by Asclepius.— Inscriptiones Graecae, 4.1.121 - 122, Stele 2.22

"The youth [Asklepios] blasted by ancestral bolts [of Zeus] soars from earth…Phoebus [Apollon], you whined. He is a god; smile at your father, who, for your sake, undoes his prohibitions [and grants Asklepios life]-- Ovid, Fasti 6.735

…Hercules [Herakles], of Castor and Pollux [the Dioskouroi], of Aesculapius [Asklepios] ... And these benefactors were duly deemed divine, as being both supremely good and immortal, because their souls survived and enjoyed eternal life.—Cicero, Cicero, De Natura Deorum 2.24


The salvation god Mithra, who spilled eternal blood to save humanity, and left his followers with a sacred Eucharist:

You [Mithra] have saved us by the shedding of eternal blood.—Inscription, Santa Prisca Mithraeum in Rome

This rite [communion] the wicked devils have imitated in the mysteries of Mithras, commanding the same thing to be done. For they set forth bread and a cup of water with certain incantations in their ceremonies of initiation—Justin Martyr, First Apology 68

The Egyptian god Osiris, who died, was resurrected, and ascended to heaven, where he will judge the living and the dead, forever and ever:

[the first examination]
They [the Gods of the Underworld] say, "Come forward.
They say, "Who are you,"
They say, "What is your name?"
"I am the he who is equipped under the flowers, the-dweller-in-the-moringa Osiris is my name."—Egyptian book of the Dead

the rites celebrated by night agree with the accounts of the dismemberment of Osiris and his resurrection and regenesis—Plutarch, Isis and Osiris 364

Isis, who resurrected Osiris and with him guarantees salvation to all who except Osiris as savior:

The keys of hell and the guarantee of salvation were in the hands of the goddess, and the initiation ceremony itself a kind of voluntary death and salvation through divine grace.—
Apuleius, Metamorphosis, Book 11, 21

And [the followers of Isis & Osiris said], "Be of good cheer, O initiates, for the god is saved, and we shall have salvation— Firmicus Maternus, The Error of Pagan Religions, 22.1

The Greek god Dionysus, who turned water to wine, did miracles, died, and was resurrected:

One woman [bacchant]
struck her thyrsus against a rock and a fountain
of cool water came bubbling up. Another drove
her fennel in the ground, and where it struck the earth,
at the touch of god [Dionysus], a spring of wine poured out….— Euripides, The Bacchae, 707- 712

the fierce resentment of implacable Hera, the Titanes cunningly smeared their round faces with disguising chalk, and while he contemplated his changeling countenance reflected in a mirror they destroyed him with an infernal knife. There where his limbs had been cut piecemeal by the Titan steel, the end of his life was the beginning of a new life-- Nonnus, Dionysiaca 6.155

The devils, accordingly, when they heard these prophetic words, said that Bacchus was the son of Jupiter, and ...having been torn in pieces, he ascended into heaven--Justin Martyr, First Apology, 54

dark empathy

hahah you had me going for a bit, you're being sarcastic correct?

Half-Life

Another important historical fact mentioned in the Bible is that upon Christ's death there was darkness over all the earth for about 3 hours. This could not have been a simple eclipse because they never last that long, and also this occurred at Passover time when there was a full moon, and solar eclipses cannot happen during a full moon. Non-believers ask why a worldwide darkness for 3 full hours was not recorded by anyone but the Gospel writers. In fact, it was. Pagan historian Thallus, writing in 52 AD recorded that, at the Passover of 32 AD, there was a lengthy period of worldwide darkness.

This was an interesting part of your website.

Amaleq13

I think you should read Richard Carrier's article, Thallus: an Analysis.

Viti

There are zero, nada, zip extra-Biblical records about this 3 day darkness. It doens't need explanation, it simply didn't happen.

Wrong, no such writing can be found, and it was only mentioned by a single other historian writing about Thallus. No eyewitness, only one historian writing about another and it can't be verified at all.

James Brown

Another important historical fact mentioned in the Bible is that upon Christ's death there was darkness over all the earth for about 3 hours.

Any idea what the source of this darkness could be? As you stated, no solar eclipse lasts three hours. I strongly doubt the earth flipped around mid-day to face Palestine away from the sun, hang there for three hours, then flip around back around sunward. So what was it?

Or maybe . . . maybe it was just overcast, and people who were looking for religious meaning grafted onto an ordinary cloudy day deep spiritual symbolism.

Or maybe the author just made it up because it sounds cool and no one in that era could possiby follow up and contradict him.

Which do you think is more likely?