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Julio · 12-13-2010, 07:22 AM

Compared with what?!...

Toto · 12-13-2010, 08:08 AM

What is it that you want to discuss? Those who claim that the Bible has no errors make an absolute statement, not that the Bible is more accurate than any other literature of its type, but that it has no errors.

Julio · 12-13-2010, 08:23 AM

Yes, but how would you confront a scholar teaching that the Bible has no errors without him offering a gauge to calibrate the piece?
Compare the Bible to what?
If I compare it to the Qur'an, the Bible has many errors; if I compare the Qur'an to the Bible, the Qur'an is saturated with errors.
One strong argument is that the Bible is without errors ONLY in the original.
How would you resolve the impasse?

cycomiko · 12-13-2010, 08:25 AM

reality?

Toto · 12-13-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Julio

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One strong argument is that the Bible is without errors ONLY in the original.
How would you resolve the impasse?

I don't regard that as a strong argument. It claims that there is an imaginary Bible that we can't read that is free of errors, so any error in the Bible we can read doesn't count, and the Bible is still error free.

The Bible is a product of failable humans. Some people refuse to accept that obvious fact for reasons that have nothing to do with logic, so it's hard to argue with them.

Julio · 12-13-2010, 09:46 AM

Some Statements of Faith put it that the Scriptures ARE [present tense] without error in the original.
Sure a church member could sue the leader for cheating and lying.
There is no "original" anywhere in this planet, and never was.
Now, is it not offensive to go to such a church and still help it with your cash?

bacht · 12-13-2010, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio

Some Statements of Faith put it that the Scriptures ARE [present tense] without error in the original.
Sure a church member could sue the leader for cheating and lying.
There is no "original" anywhere in this planet, and never was.
Now, is it not offensive to go to such a church and still help it with your cash?

I agree that inerrancy is indefensible, but it's a bit of a non-sequitur to tie this to church membership, which is typically a social experience as much as a theological one.

As R. Hillel supposedly said: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary". If people actually tried to follow this principle would there be any holy wars or cultural conflicts?

I don't see why we should assume that older versions of the scriptures would be any 'better'. They might be incomprehensible, or just boring. Then there's the question of bibliolatry, worshipping an artifact.

Julio · 12-13-2010, 09:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6...mbedded#at=168

Jaybees · 12-13-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio

Compared with what?!...

The bible is incomporable.

It has no errors since it was divinely inspired by an transcendent, immanent, omnipotent, benevolent, infallible, omniscient, omnipresent god. Therefore there can be no comparison between it and anything produced by mere, fallible humans.

Next question.

seyorni · 12-13-2010, 09:58 PM

Why does it contain so many contradictions and inaccuracies, then?

12-13-2010, 07:22 AM	#1
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12-13-2010, 08:08 AM	#2
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	What is it that you want to discuss? Those who claim that the Bible has no errors make an absolute statement, not that the Bible is more accurate than any other literature of its type, but that it has no errors.

12-13-2010, 08:23 AM	#3
Julio Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 5,187	Yes, but how would you confront a scholar teaching that the Bible has no errors without him offering a gauge to calibrate the piece? Compare the Bible to what? If I compare it to the Qur'an, the Bible has many errors; if I compare the Qur'an to the Bible, the Qur'an is saturated with errors. One strong argument is that the Bible is without errors ONLY in the original. How would you resolve the impasse?

12-13-2010, 08:25 AM	#4
cycomiko Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,702	reality?

12-13-2010, 09:46 AM	#6
Julio Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 5,187	Some Statements of Faith put it that the Scriptures ARE [present tense] without error in the original. Sure a church member could sue the leader for cheating and lying. There is no "original" anywhere in this planet, and never was. Now, is it not offensive to go to such a church and still help it with your cash?

12-13-2010, 09:33 PM	#8
Julio Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 5,187	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6...mbedded#at=168

12-13-2010, 09:58 PM	#10
seyorni Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Albuquerque. SW USA Posts: 3,176	Why does it contain so many contradictions and inaccuracies, then?

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