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Old 01-29-2008, 01:48 AM   #51
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Price is something of a maverick, but much more mainstream than Detering.
Detering is the uttermost logically consequent researcher of the Pauline epistles since several decades.

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Thanks. What do you think of folks that automatically just accept the christian position that Paul was the author of the letters?
i think of them as fools or deceivers

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Archaeological evidence absolutely proves the existence of the historicity of Pauline churches.
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Archaeological evidence absolutely proves the existence of the historicity of Pauline churches.
Where? This would be a stunning refutation of minuteman's hypothesis, and we could all save a lot of time.
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Archaeological evidence absolutely proves the existence of the historicity of Pauline churches.
What archeological evidence ? If your point is that there existed churches, or christian tombs, at some time in these towns, and that these churches were ascribed by a tradition to Paul, this is not an "archeological evidence" for Paul, it is a tradition, possibly true, possibly embellished.
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The earliest archeological evidence of a church is Dura-Europa, or one from a similar period recently found in Isreal - several centuries after Paul.

Pauline Christians did not have church buildings. They met in people's houses.
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The earliest archeological evidence of a church is Dura-Europa, or one from a similar period recently found in Isreal - several centuries after Paul.

Pauline Christians did not have church buildings. They met in people's houses.
In what century did these meetings take place? If Acts is regarded as fiction, and it is not certain how many persons wrote the "Pauline" Epistles, then I would not venture to make any claim about "Pauline Christians."
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OK - historians assume that early Christians met in houses because there are no archeological remains of churches. It remains that arnoldo is wrong when he claims that there is archeological proof of Pauline churches.
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Archaeological evidence absolutely proves the existence of the historicity of Pauline churches.
Are we to take your word for that, or can you cite a source? I assume you read it someplace. Can you remember where?
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Archaeological evidence absolutely proves the existence of the historicity of Pauline churches.
Are we to take your word for that, or can you cite a source? I assume you read it someplace. Can you remember where?
This source claims that the letters of Paul were written between 40- 50 AD.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/maccoby2.htm
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The earliest piece of archaeological evidence may be the apparent discovery under St Peter's Basilica of a monument dating from c 160 CE which is thought to be the trophy or memorial of Peter and Paul mentioned by Gaius/Caius writing c 200 CE. http://saintpetersbasilica.org/Necro...5.htm#memorial


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