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Old 06-05-2008, 10:12 AM   #1
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Whoever wrote Genesis apparently did not think so.

Genesis 18:20-21

20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

I have never seen a good explanation for this one. This verse is yet more proof that the authors of the Bible had contradictory views of God's nature.
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Whoever wrote Genesis apparently did not think so.

Genesis 18:20-21

20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

I have never seen a good explanation for this one. This verse is yet more proof that the authors of the Bible had contradictory views of God's nature.
It's only recently that views of God have evolved.

Back then, God was in the sky and had human qualities. For example, he demanded animal sacrifices and the burning aroma pleased the Lord, according to the Bible. So, somehow God, being a spirit, somehow has a sense of smell and enjoys the smell of burning animal flesh.

Now that we know this is silly, God is "moved" into another realm way way way beyond the sky, or perhaps another dimension in order to keep him "existing" by believers. Funny how God failed to mention all these other dimensions in his own book until apologists came along.

It's easy to read the Bible now and say "Genesis wasn't literal" or "God didn't mean this or that" because we have more knowledge than we did in the past.

it seems theists will never understand they keep redefining God to be whatever the fuck they want him to be.
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Whoever wrote Genesis apparently did not think so.

Genesis 18:20-21

20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

I have never seen a good explanation for this one. This verse is yet more proof that the authors of the Bible had contradictory views of God's nature.
Well, duh, of course they did. The thing got written over a long time. OK, around exilic times some significant editing was done, but that doesn't change the fact that the composing stories come from varying times and cultures. My guess would be that the bit you quote is a story about the old tribal god Yahweh, from the time that he was just a god among gods and not omnimax. The omnixmaxness of gods is a fairly recent (axial age and later, say post 500 BCE) phenomenon.

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Whoever wrote Genesis apparently did not think so.

Genesis 18:20-21

20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

I have never seen a good explanation for this one. This verse is yet more proof that the authors of the Bible had contradictory views of God's nature.
In this thread I list other passages which indicate that God is omniscient. To the list of passages which place limits on God's knowledge you can add the following:

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Genesis 22:12
12 He said, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me."

Deuteronomy 8:2
2"You shall remember all the way which Yahweh your God has led you in the wilderness these forty years, that He might humble you, testing you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not.

Deuteronomy 13:3
3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for Yahweh your God is testing you to find out if you love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
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