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dog-on · 09-16-2008, 02:51 AM

Thanks for the helpful list, Jeffery.

Would my "spirit" be considered a separate being from myself?

mountainman · 09-16-2008, 04:09 AM

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Just a quick question.

What is the pre-NT, literary source for the Holy Ghost, or Spirit?

Is this a Soteriological question, or are you happy to receive answers from other fields?

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Soteriology is the branch of theology that deals with salvation.[1]

It is derived from the Greek sōtērion "salvation" (from sōtēr "savior, preserver") + English -logy.[2]

The term itself can be used to refer to any kind of religion, and no savior figure or figures are required.
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Soteriology is a key factor that distinguishes religion from philosophy.[4]

Soter.

A name applied to the healing god Asclepius and for a very good reason according to the students in the field of historical medicine.

Best wishes,

Pete

Chili · 09-16-2008, 05:36 AM

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Thanks for the helpful list, Jeffery.

Would my "spirit" be considered a separate being from myself?

It appears that way if you do not know your spirit.

dog-on · 09-16-2008, 05:47 AM

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Thanks for the helpful list, Jeffery.

Would my "spirit" be considered a separate being from myself?

It appears that way if you do not know your spirit.

uh huh...

If my spirit is simply the manifestation of my own will and consciousness, then it would seem strange to consider it as being separate from myself, the source of the manifestation.

DrZoidberg · 09-16-2008, 05:52 AM

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Just a quick question.

What is the pre-NT, literary source for the Holy Ghost, or Spirit?

I didn't think there was one. Didn't they pretty much invent the modern conception of it at the first council of Nicea. Catholics, Marcionists and Gnostics were forced by Constantin (with the threat of death) to agree on a Christian doctrine, so they created the idea of the holy ghost, which none of them really believed in but which was an ok compromise. At the time the delegates embrace of this was only lip service. But it surfaced many years later again and now its seen as an integral part of Christianity.

Did I get that right?

dog-on · 09-16-2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dog-on

Just a quick question.

What is the pre-NT, literary source for the Holy Ghost, or Spirit?

I didn't think there was one. Didn't they pretty much invent the modern conception of it at the first council of Nicea. Catholics, Marcionists and Gnostics were forced by Constantin (with the threat of death) to agree on a Christian doctrine, so they created the idea of the holy ghost, which none of them really believed in but which was an ok compromise. At the time the delegates embrace of this was only lip service. But it surfaced many years later again and now its seen as an integral part of Christianity.

Did I get that right?

You know, that was actually what I thought. That is the reason why I asked the question, as it having never occured to me that this HG guy just appears out of, basically, nowhere.

Chili · 09-16-2008, 06:41 AM

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Erm, the problem with your analysis is that wisdom was very often personified as female in the ancient world.

Erm, so throw the baby out with the bath water because you have an exception? Typical.

(The history of Catholocism means nothing for instance. hint: contolled by men who have incentives to make men "authorities".) That's throwing the baby out with the bath water at its archetypal.

Wisdom will always be the domein of women who was taken from man to preserve knowledge in the TOL that is gained by the TOK of man that is seperate from the TOL until the Convergence of the Twain. http://http://www.melodylane.net/ian...twainpoem.html.

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