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Old 09-10-2008, 02:50 PM   #1
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In Genesis, where it talks about Creation and the first sin, I'd like to ask this question:

What was the first "sin"? The serpent instructed Eve to eat the fruit because then she would be like God, but isn't envy a sin according to the Catholic Church? Or could that part be talking about ignorance? Or just another error in the Bible?
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Interestingly, Genesis does not use the word "sin" for Eve's eating the apple. It was later Christians who called this event the original or first sin.

The serpent did not instruct Eve to eat the fruit, he enticed her to try it, resulting in God cursing the serpent and all human kind, especially women.

"Sin" is first mentioned in connection with Cain and Abel.
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Seriously dude, if I ever encountered a talking snake I would do whatever the heck it said. Right after I said "holy shit, a talking snake!" You dont mess around with shit like that. Cant really blame Eve. Who let that snake in there anyways?
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Adam & Eve were disobedient. That was their first (and the first) 'sin'. It was not called by that name by the import is evident.
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Interestingly, Genesis does not use the word "sin" for Eve's eating the apple. It was later Christians who called this event the original or first sin.

The serpent did not instruct Eve to eat the fruit, he enticed her to try it, resulting in God cursing the serpent and all human kind, especially women.

"Sin" is first mentioned in connection with Cain and Abel.
It actually doesn't say apple either, it just says fruit but that's not important.

What is, is that we know the Bible is ridden with errors so wouldn't it be possible that whoever wrote the "First Sin" could have interpreted it as ignorance?
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Interestingly, Genesis does not use the word "sin" for Eve's eating the apple. It was later Christians who called this event the original or first sin.

The serpent did not instruct Eve to eat the fruit, he enticed her to try it, resulting in God cursing the serpent and all human kind, especially women.

"Sin" is first mentioned in connection with Cain and Abel.
It actually doesn't say apple either, it just says fruit but that's not important.

What is, is that we know the Bible is ridden with errors so wouldn't it be possible that whoever wrote the "First Sin" could have interpreted it as ignorance?
Ignorance of what?
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It actually doesn't say apple either, it just says fruit but that's not important.

What is, is that we know the Bible is ridden with errors so wouldn't it be possible that whoever wrote the "First Sin" could have interpreted it as ignorance?
Ignorance of what?
Just plain ignorance? I don't know, I'm not an expert on Creation seeing how I'm an Darwinist. But my guess is that it's just plain ignorance, or the ignorance that could be used so you could be easily manipulated.
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Interestingly, Genesis does not use the word "sin" for Eve's eating the apple. It was later Christians who called this event the original or first sin.

The serpent did not instruct Eve to eat the fruit, he enticed her to try it, resulting in God cursing the serpent and all human kind, especially women.

"Sin" is first mentioned in connection with Cain and Abel.
It actually doesn't say apple either, it just says fruit but that's not important.

What is, is that we know the Bible is ridden with errors so wouldn't it be possible that whoever wrote the "First Sin" could have interpreted it as ignorance?
I'm not sure how there can be an error in a fictional tale.

I'm not sure what your question is. Are you asking if the Christians who interpreted Genesis as describing a first sin were ignorant of its real meaning?
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I was under the impression that God kicked them out of the garden because they were able to distinguish good from evil, not because they had disobeyed, even though not doing what God said led to said knowledge.
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...keep in mind this is just a story. We're analyzing fantasy here...

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What was the first "sin"? The serpent instructed Eve to eat the fruit because then she would be like God, but isn't envy a sin according to the Catholic Church? Or could that part be talking about ignorance? Or just another error in the Bible?
The fruit is what gave Adam and Eve the knowledge of what is good and what is evil. Presumably then, they had no such knowledge prior to eating the fruit.

By every reasonable standard, only those who know right from wrong are morally culpable for what they do. This is a near global paradigm.

So, prior to eating the fruit, Adam and Eve had no knowledge of right and wrong, and so can not be held morally accountable for having eaten it. Eating the fruit can not reasonably be considered a 'sin', since the word 'sin' implies foreknowledge of right and wrong.
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