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Old 09-29-2009, 08:01 AM   #281
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Why would God allow a tempter to influence two people who had no concept of right vs. wrong?
huh? They knew they did wrong, that's why they hid their nakedness in front of the LORD.
Yet according to the text they had no knowledge or understanding of what 'good' and 'evil' was until -after- they ate the fruit, only -then- did they know that they were naked.

An 'all knowing' god with a 'plan' would have known from the beginning exactly what was going to happen, and what did happen had to be part and parcel of His own will and plans for mankind.
With a complete foreknowledge of all the suffering and misery that would follow, He still didn't intervene or put a stop to the serpent's trickery.

There can only be one explanation as why not, That is that it was within His own will, and the carrying out of His own plan.
At the bottom, theologically, it is YHWH alone that is personally responsible for everything that the Bible says has happened.
The serpent, and the satan, are His creations, whom He created with an absolute foreknowledge of exactly what they would do, for the purposes of the accomplishing of HIS will. Adam & Eve were 'set-up' for the FALL by the plan and machinations of a irresistible Divine Will, Not their fault, and not the serpent or the satan's fault, all just doing what they were fashioned to do, so many bit players playing out their lines in YHWH's little drama.
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Now you put that in quotes, so please explain how you're not twisting scripture to try and back up your arguments???

Either you are WRONG or this is a LIE.

Which is it?
It's not a lie. I put it into quotation marks because Revelation is refering to Satan as the Old Serpent in the Garden.

I'm sorry if my quotations confused you.

I take the blame for that.
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Old 09-29-2009, 08:02 AM   #283
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Now you put that in quotes, so please explain how you're not twisting scripture to try and back up your arguments???

Either you are WRONG or this is a LIE.

Which is it?
It's not a lie. I put it into quotation marks because Revelation is refering to Satan as the Old Serpent in the Garden.

I'm sorry if my quotations confused you.

I take the blame for that.
It's not confusing, it's misleading. There's a difference.
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Old 09-29-2009, 08:03 AM   #284
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Why didn't Jesus right anything down? Because he was an oral teacher. Everything was pretty much hearsay in Jesus' time. I think they call it 'Oral Tradition.'
I think they call it not writing anything.

Some have suggested he didn't exist, which, at least, is consistent with lack of literary output.

My own writings are also not very extensive. In my case, this is probably a combination of laziness and lack of things to say.
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... Revelation 12:9


... Genesis 3:24

... Isaiah 14:12-15


... Ezekiel 28:13-16

... (Ezekiel 10:2).
... (Exodus 25:19).
The (Genesis 1:1) scriptures (Daniel 9:2) were (Genesis 2:1) written (Deut. 29:21) by (Job 2:11) Satan (Rev. 20:2).

Well, there you have it folks. The Bible from Genesis through Revelation was written by Satan. There it is as clear as day right there in the Bible.
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Why didn't Jesus right anything down? Because he was an oral teacher. Everything was pretty much hearsay in Jesus' time. I think they call it 'Oral Tradition.'
I think they call it not writing anything.

Some have suggested he didn't exist, which, at least, is consistent with lack of literary output.

My own writings are also not very extensive. In my case, this is probably a combination of laziness and lack of things to say.
The interesting point is that for a God who requires so much faith in a book, isn't it odd that he had nothing to add, while he could, at least, hold a pencil?
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... Revelation 12:9


... Genesis 3:24

... Isaiah 14:12-15


... Ezekiel 28:13-16

... (Ezekiel 10:2).
... (Exodus 25:19).
The (Genesis 1:1) scriptures (Daniel 9:2) were (Genesis 2:1) written (Deut. 29:21) by (Job 2:11) Satan (Rev. 20:2).
Well, there you have it folks. The Bible from Genesis through Revelation was written by Satan. There it is as clear as day right there in the Bible.
and that, my friends IS the mystery that was hidden for long ages past...
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Yet according to the text they had no knowledge or understanding of what 'good' and 'evil' was until -after- they ate the fruit, only -then- did they know that they were naked.
They had knowledge of right from wrong, but not good vs. evil. That is until Satan showed them.

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An 'all knowing' god with a 'plan' would have known from the beginning exactly what was going to happen, and what did happen had to be part and parcel of His own will and plans for mankind.
God knew what was going to happen, but he wasn't going to interfer with their choice of freewill. If God interfered, then he would be going against his own word. And that is allowing mankind to make their own decisions.

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With a complete foreknowledge of all the suffering and misery that would follow, He still didn't intervene or put a stop to the serpent's trickery.
I guess God wants to teach us a lesson. Make your decisions carefully, or you just may regret it.

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There can only be one explanation as why not, That is that it was within His own will, and the carrying out of His own plan.
I believe God permits evil for a greater Good. Our reward is in Heaven, not Earth.

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At the bottom, theologically, it is YHWH alone that is personally responsible for everything that the Bible says has happened.
No, actually, it's the choice making of our ancient fathers, and their freedom of "freewill." God is trying to tell us that Freewill comes with a price.

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The serpent, and the satan, are His creations, whom He created with an absolute foreknowledge, for the purposes of the accomplishing of HIS will.
Yes, God knew since the dawn of creation that The Serpent would trick mankind, but that is the price of freewill. We make good choices, and we make bad choices. The good choice is obeying God and his Word. The bad choice is disobeying God and allowing Satan to fool you.
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Christianity is the World's most dominate Religion, and it has been for several centuries. It's funny how the majority of the world's most dominate religion does not see these errors, but a few atheists on the internet see them very clearly? :constern01:
Out of the world's population of 6.5 billion people, about 4.5 billion do not believe in your 'dominant' religion.

Within the 2.1 billion Christians worldwide, many of them won't agree with your specific beliefs.
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How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! But you said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Shale, To the recesses of the pit. Isaiah 14:12-15
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I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Looks like you worship Satan.
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