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HelenM · 10-06-2003, 04:00 AM

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Originally posted by hope's daughter
Helen,

People are funny creatures. They love to hear about life's dirty tricks to others. Love gossip and juicy tid bits. Well I did not find the scripture yet (I will) but I thought instead I would post the other side of the coin.

Maybe I am not 'most people' but when it comes to relationships I prefer to hear good news.

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Tonight my husband came over to say he was sorry for what happened on the night of the 11th and how he did not mean to scare me. How his antics had made the situation crazy and my sons also stated that they were sorry. He said he knew I would not get over it and he did not want me to say anything because he did not want to do the usual which was to make me feel false guilt. I know part of our craziness as a famity during the 11th of Aug- 26 of Aug was a battle of wills. Both my husband and myself are very strong willed people. When I walked him out to his truck, we got to talking about his clothes. He is living out of a box in his truck. I told him I would wash his clothes (I even ironed them like old times). He is sleeping at a vacant house. So when he comes home to get his clothes in the morning I will tell him to take a bath and then I am going to cook him breakfast. I still don't know how to feel about alot of things but I think what my husband has been afraid of is loosing me. To what I do not know. I am not going anywhere. I am living at the house. I guess when I got mad, canceled our appointment to see the counselor and told him divorce because he was calling the EMTs, he thought I meant it and was trying desperately to hold onto to me. Does this make sense to you Helen? Thought by trying to exert himself over me that he could keep me. This is a strange situation indeed.

I'm very glad to hear you had a promising talk last night. I also think by responding with kindness, as it seems like you intend to do, you might open the door for reconciliation between the two of you. I do hope so because presumably your marriage was once a source of joy and I hope it can be that again, for you.

People do behave strangely when they are upset and stressed so if he at some point behaved irrationally, that wouldn't surprise me.

Anyway, as I said, I hope the two of you work things out.

If you tell me approximately what the Bible verse said I can look it up for you. I have a good search on my Bible computer.

Or there is a site here which has a word search on all the popular versions:

Bible Gateway

Helen

hope's daughter · 10-06-2003, 02:39 PM

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Maybe I am not 'most people' but when it comes to relationships I prefer to hear good news.

You are a rare creature then Helen. I prefer to know that people are doing well and it is abnormal that I have shared this kind of stuation on the internat as I am a private person to begin with in terms of my own life and feel that it does no good to air dirty laundry. This was the reason for counceling for my husband and myself to begin with. i felt that between the woman's issue that I posted originally, being empty nesters soon and the fact that my husband and myself lost touch with one another; all these things contributed.

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I'm very glad to hear you had a promising talk last night. I also think by responding with kindness, as it seems like you intend to do, you might open the door for reconciliation between the two of you. I do hope so because presumably your marriage was once a source of joy and I hope it can be that again, for you.

I do love my husband helen I would not be with him as long as what I have if I did not. Love invloves making choices and self sacrifice. Hey this is hard. We have been at it 23 years. I still felt he was becoming too comfortabile in our marriage and taking me for granted and he is becoming quite a grouch. I think he is dealing with some things too. Like I said he was having a hard time letting me go and allowing me space and accepting me for the woman I am now not who he married. I have changed.

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People do behave strangely when they are upset and stressed so if he at some point behaved irrationally, that wouldn't surprise me.

My husband thinks everything is my illness. I still believe that I was misdiagnosed. There has always been contention here. helen if I could explain I would not even try. I have to convince those who don't even know me about something they except because he labeled me long ago. I just let people think about me and bipolar the way they like. May people think they are alcoholic but truth be known most people because of circumstances might be supseptible to overindulging and using alcohol as a means of escape. if they removed themselves in time and circumstances they would find they no longer need the label.

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Anyway, as I said, I hope the two of you work things out.

Thank you. I doubt that this will be the death knell to our marriage. We have as a couple survived many things that have made us stronger and I think this will be one of them (if I don't kill him first

-it's a joke)

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If you tell me approximately what the Bible verse said I can look it up for you. I have a good search on my Bible computer.

I still can't find it. I thought it had rebel and youth in the verse but I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again in the future. Helen I am so glad that it does not bother me to say I am wrong. So many people in the world could just make things better by this little statement.

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Or there is a site here which has a word search on all the popular versions:

Bible Gateway

Helen

Thanks Helen I will keep searching.

HelenM · 10-06-2003, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by hope's daughter
My husband thinks everything is my illness. I still believe that I was misdiagnosed. There has always been contention here. helen if I could explain I would not even try. I have to convince those who don't even know me about something they except because he labeled me long ago. I just let people think about me and bipolar the way they like.

That makes sense because you can't stop people labelling you if they want to. People like to label others. The best thing to do is what the Serenity Prayer says: accept what you can't change, change what you can, and seek the wisdom to know the difference. Or something like that

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May people think they are alcoholic but truth be known most people because of circumstances might be supseptible to overindulging and using alcohol as a means of escape. if they removed themselves in time and circumstances they would find they no longer need the label.

I know what you mean but with or without the label it is true they have a dangerous susceptibility that they might need to be careful about their whole life. Maybe people labelled "Bipolar" have dangerous susceptibilities too and part of being healthy is realizing what they are and being appropriately careful.

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Thank you. I doubt that this will be the death knell to our marriage. We have as a couple survived many things that have made us stronger and I think this will be one of them (if I don't kill him first -it's a joke)

I'm glad to hear you think your marriage will survive this. I do hope so

You sound happier and more settled than when you were first posting on here. I hope you are!

Helen

hope's daughter · 10-07-2003, 08:07 AM

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Ok, hopefully this will do it: The terms "Khabiri," "Apiru," and "Habiru" all refer to the same words actually found on the Ramesses inscription you cited. Initially, the similarity between that term (in whatever variant) and the term "Hebrew" (actually, "Ibri") was thought to be striking confirmation for the presence of Hebrews in Egypt, particularly the construction of the cities of Pithom and Ramses as per Exodus 1:11. However, this was not to be. It turns out that Khabiri/Apiru/Habiru is far too broad a term for "Hebrew." They are found everywhere throughout the Ancient Near East, especially once the connection between that term and the identical Sumerian term, "SA.GAZ" was made. In other words, apologists were back to square one--zero evidence for the Egyptian slavery, and plenty of evidence that it never happened.

Joel,

What did you think about the reference to the bricks?

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Sorry, but the vast majority of Christian apologetics are completely ignorant of recent archaeological finds, particularly the findings from systematic regional surveys carried out in the 1970s and 80s that made a Hebrew/Israelite conquest of Canaan impossible (there is no consistent layer of destruction in the Canaanite cities of Jericho, Ai, etc. that either (1) falls within the Biblical time scale, or (2) falls close enough together to have been a total conquest as recorded in Joshua (ignoring Biblical chronology). Typically, your book is now completely outdated (if it ever was up-to-date, which I doubt). What scholars and archaeologists does your book mention in its bibliography (if any)?

I am an amatuer apologist and even then my particular interest is orthodox theology. I think there are Christisians in every discipline including archeology. I think it is unwise to make a blanket statement about all apologists especially whos field is archeology. I myself do not keep up with recent finds. Although now that it has been brought into the conversation, I find I may just have to educate myself as is the case with many subjects.

God bless you Joel.

Please know this is written from the heart.

HelenM · 10-07-2003, 10:09 AM

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Yes I went [to see the movie Luther] with my husband Helen. He moved back in. Why not? It is his home as well as mine. I am so used to him helen. How can I get rid of a good thing? He said to me we are going towards something and said that God meant us to be together. helen sometimes Christians can act like Atheists as if God does not matter. See things are not tied up as neatly as people might want them to be.

I'm very glad you were willing to let him move back in. It sounds like things are going in a good direction in your relationship!

Helen

hope's daughter · 10-07-2003, 02:16 PM

Thanks Helen for the support and for being a good online friend.

God bless you!

p.s. and by all means go see Luther.

Celsus · 10-08-2003, 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by hope's daughter
Joel,

What did you think about the reference to the bricks?

Please explain further.

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I am an amatuer apologist and even then my particular interest is orthodox theology. I think there are Christisians in every discipline including archeology. I think it is unwise to make a blanket statement about all apologists especially whos field is archeology. I myself do not keep up with recent finds. Although now that it has been brought into the conversation, I find I may just have to educate myself as is the case with many subjects.

No, the vast majority of Christians I have encountered are ignorant. J.P. Holding (Robert Turkel), by Internet standards quite impressive, is just as clueless as the rest when it comes to the crunch. Ditto for Jonathan Sarfati who I dealt with later in the thread and was reduced to little plays on my name. I will be posting more in that thread soon as my timetable clears up. The vast vast majority of publishing apologists, however, are far less clued-in than Holding, and can only preach to the converted. I have read at least 3 dozen apologetic books of which only one (Jeffery Sheler's Is the Bible True?) showed the slightest hint of a clue about modern archaeological discourse. Even then, the book was largely unconvincing and with gaping holes in what it did mention (and of course, filling in those holes would have demolished Sheler's arguments).

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God bless you Joel.

May Nietzsche rest his godkilling hand on you too.

Joel

Warcraft3 · 10-09-2003, 10:54 AM

Celsus:

I remember reading much of that thread and coming away thinking that holding did quite well.

Although from what I have seen he usually does.

Maybe Ill read through it again a second time.

Russ

Celsus · 10-09-2003, 11:37 PM

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I remember reading much of that thread and coming away thinking that holding did quite well.

In what way? Showing that he didn't have a clue about contemporary archaeological findings, scholars, and methods?

Joel

hope's daughter · 10-10-2003, 09:47 AM

Joel,

I was refering to the second part of the posting from this chapter...the bricks without any binding material.

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10-07-2003, 02:16 PM	#216
hope's daughter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: middle earth Posts: 601	Thanks Helen for the support and for being a good online friend. God bless you! p.s. and by all means go see Luther.

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Warcraft3 Regular Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: US Posts: 288	Celsus: I remember reading much of that thread and coming away thinking that holding did quite well. Although from what I have seen he usually does. Maybe Ill read through it again a second time. Russ

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hope's daughter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: middle earth Posts: 601	Joel, I was refering to the second part of the posting from this chapter...the bricks without any binding material.

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