Vagus

I'm debating a few issues with my brother at the moment and the subject has turned to prophecy.

I'm hoping the more knowledgeable members here can help me: are there
any prophecies in the OT referring specifically to the resurrection?

I know there are plenty about the messiahs' origins and attributes, but I would have thought that the ressurection, being as important as it is, it would have shown up somewhere?

Thanks

Jon Promnitz

Hello

Off the top of my head I can think of no OT passages that prophecy the resurrection of a messiah or person named Jesus. I constantly hear Christians claiming the OT has hundreds upon hundreds of prophecies predicting the coming of Jesus. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They take random verses out of context (in Psalms for example) and try to apply a similarity to Jesus' life. Many can't stop proclaiming Isaiah 7:14, yet a simple study reveals that "young woman" should've been used in the text, not "virgin". And when the surrounding verses are read, the context reveals that this child was to be born as a sign to King Ahaz that Jerusalem would not be defeated. It has nothing to do with prophesying of a messiah or savior. To no one's surprise, Christian's take this passage and pretend it refers to Jesus.

Isaiah 7:14 (NLT)

For those that don't hold to the Bible's authority, studying this so called 'messianic prophecy' is a great example of how desperate people are to find evidence for their beliefs.

CX

No. Bodily resurrection as we have in the passion narrative is a totally foreign and offensive notion in traditional Judaism. There are no references in the OT to the resurrection of Jesus. Not only that but the Jewish concept of Messiah, is as a human liberator. There is nothing whatever in the Judaic understanding of Messiah about the messiah dying and being resurrected. That concept is an Hellenistic one injected into the story of Jesus.

Amaleq13

The NASB translation suggests that Paul found Psalm 16:8-ff to show that the resurrection was "according to scripture". I assume that 16:10 is the key passage.

Jon Promnitz

Psalm 16:10 is simply another misused passage.

Psalm 16 (New Living Translation)
9 No wonder my heart is filled with joy,
and my mouth shouts his praises!
My body rests in safety.
10 For you will not leave my soul among the dead
or allow your godly one to rot in the grave.
11 You will show me the way of life,
granting me the joy of your presence
and the pleasures of living with you forever.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6;&version=51;

The surrounding verses show that the author (assuming it was David) was speaking of himself. It seems that he considered himself the "godly one" (or holy one). Verse 11 shows that David believed the Lord would grant him the way of life so he could live with him forever. Thus, the Lord would not leave him among the dead nor let him rot in the grave, as spoken of directly before in verse 10. There is never any indication that a prophecy to be fulfilled centuries later is being uttered. This wasn't a prophecy, but a wish of David.

Amaleq13

You are clearly not wearing your faith-glasses when you read it.

Vorkosigan

Mark 124: and he cried out, "What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are, the Holy One of God."

"holy one of God" Grant (1963) observes that "this title may be based on Psalm 16:10 ("thou wilt not suffer thy holy one to see corruption") or Psalm 106:16 (Aaron as the holy one of God). Later Jesus will be raised, his body uncorrupted.

Does Paul cite it somewhere?

Benni72

The writer of Acts has both Peter (2:25-28) and Paul (13:35) cite Psalm 16:8ff.

Amaleq13

As far as I can tell by searching BibleGateway, he never uses "holy one" at all let alone in reference to Christ.