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Kingdomovehearts · 03-13-2004, 04:07 PM

"For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. "

This is a very confusing verse. Okay, if we all are going to confess to God he is real, and bow down to him. Then what's the point of free will if we are going to admit he is God anyways?

robtech · 03-13-2004, 05:15 PM

This is reference to where a mortal is in position to God.
1. Either spiritually rejuvenated being "Child of the Kingdom" who is headed for an eternal life of bliss.
2. Or a non-repentant "Enemy of the Cross of Salvation"who will be damned to eternal damnation.
Both of these will have been enlighted about the Truth. #1 before mortal death. #2 after mortal death.

Mediancat · 03-13-2004, 05:54 PM

This seems more suited for BC&H.

Accordingly --

Rob aka Mediancat

Grumsh · 03-13-2004, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by Kingdomovehearts
"For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. "

This is a very confusing verse. Okay, if we all are going to confess to God he is real, and bow down to him. Then what's the point of free will if we are going to admit he is God anyways?

And if I admit your hair is orange that is infringment of free will?

As for the Bowing, ever heard of respect?

Grumsh.

robtech · 03-13-2004, 06:09 PM

What is BCand H?

Magus55 · 03-13-2004, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kingdomovehearts
"For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. "

This is a very confusing verse. Okay, if we all are going to confess to God he is real, and bow down to him. Then what's the point of free will if we are going to admit he is God anyways?

Free will allows you to choose for God or against Him. But everyone will eventually bow before Him. They will no longer be able to deny Him.

Gawen · 03-13-2004, 07:20 PM

Robtech, BC&H is this forum: Biblical Criticism & History

robtech · 03-13-2004, 08:03 PM

Thanks

winstonjen · 03-13-2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Free will allows you to choose for God or against Him. But everyone will eventually bow before Him. They will no longer be able to deny Him.

We can accept and acknowledge his existence, but we don't have to like him or bow down to him. And if we all did bow down to him, wouldn't he let us into heaven to let us worship him?

funinspace · 03-15-2004, 12:47 PM

I'm not sure as to what you find confusing about the verse? You should look at the context i.e.:
14:10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
...
14:12 So then each one of us will give account of himself to God.

Like Magnus55 said, within the context of xianity, you will stand before him, either at death or that VERY imminent end of earth thing. You know, that one Paul warned about 2000 years ago.

DK

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03-13-2004, 04:07 PM	#1
Kingdomovehearts Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: houston Posts: 46	Romans 14:11 "For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. " This is a very confusing verse. Okay, if we all are going to confess to God he is real, and bow down to him. Then what's the point of free will if we are going to admit he is God anyways?

03-13-2004, 05:15 PM	#2
robtech Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lake Charles, La. Posts: 224	In Christian belief This is reference to where a mortal is in position to God. 1. Either spiritually rejuvenated being "Child of the Kingdom" who is headed for an eternal life of bliss. 2. Or a non-repentant "Enemy of the Cross of Salvation"who will be damned to eternal damnation. Both of these will have been enlighted about the Truth. #1 before mortal death. #2 after mortal death.

03-13-2004, 05:54 PM	#3
Mediancat Contributor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Baltimore County, MD Posts: 19,644	This seems more suited for BC&H. Accordingly -- Rob aka Mediancat

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Gawen Contributor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cylon Occupied Texas, but a Michigander @ heart Posts: 10,326	Robtech, BC&H is this forum: Biblical Criticism & History

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robtech Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lake Charles, La. Posts: 224	Thanks

03-15-2004, 12:47 PM	#10
funinspace Contributor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: North West usa Posts: 10,245	I'm not sure as to what you find confusing about the verse? You should look at the context i.e.: 14:10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. ... 14:12 So then each one of us will give account of himself to God. Like Magnus55 said, within the context of xianity, you will stand before him, either at death or that VERY imminent end of earth thing. You know, that one Paul warned about 2000 years ago. DK

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