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godfry n. glad · 10-07-2003, 08:09 AM

Most of us in western cultures are familiar with the "stick and carrot" aspect of the Christian afterlife scenarios and some of the more lurid details of the Islamic heaven, but does is anyone familiar with the afterlife fate of those who fail or refuse to accept the "truth" of Islam? Are these souls condemned to the very same eternal torture as Christian ones?

And, can you provide the source within the Qu'ran that supports it?

Thanks.

godfry n. glad

CX · 10-07-2003, 08:12 AM

This is perhaps a better question for GRD...

Heathen Dawn · 10-07-2003, 08:21 AM

Certainly. See here and here.

Brian_iiiii · 10-07-2003, 09:12 AM

For fun you can search for the word "hell"
in the Quran and Bible here:

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/kjv/simple.html

Interesting, the word appears 64 times in the Christian Bible, mostly in the Old Testament, but 97 times in the Quran.
Seemly Mohammed (peace be unto him, there , now don't kill me okay?) was more obsessed with this concept than Jesus was.

Arvel Joffi · 10-07-2003, 09:58 AM

Your links aren't working, Heathen Dawn.

Heathen Dawn · 10-07-2003, 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by ArvelJoffi
Your links aren't working, Heathen Dawn.

I can’t see why. They’re working for me.

godfry n. glad · 10-07-2003, 10:10 AM

They worked for me, too.

And Brian5i's recommendation is enlightening, as well. Reading those gives a better idea of what the Islamic hell is like. The "fires of hell" intimates that the Islamic hell was probably an adoption of the Christian hell, which, in turn, was an adoption of the Zoroastrian smoking rivers of molten metal....

These are really fun folks.

Thanks for the help, infidels.

godfry n. glad

10-07-2003, 03:44 PM

Information on Islamic Hell

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The wicked disbelievers who deny the revelations or scorn them have another fate. On the Day of Judgment these evil-doers will know their fate and bite and gnaw at their hands in fear (25:27). They will beg for another chance to live a better life on earth (7:53). They will be dressed in an iron prisoner's collar, manacles, and chains; they will be dragged by their hair or feet through boiling water and then thrust into the Fire (40:71-72, 55:41, 76:4).

As they approach the roasting Fire they will hear it roar and pray for their destruction (25:11-12, 41:94, 70:16). They will try to escape but realize that there is no way of escape (18:54). Their guards will drive them back with hooked rods of iron and say to them, "Taste the doom of burning in the Fire that you used to deny" (22:22, 32:20).

Every morning and every evening they will enter the Fire (40:46). After the Fire they will be drenched in boiling fluid that makes what is in the bellies and their skin to melt (22:19-20, 55:44). Between the Fire and boiling water they will eat the fruit of the Zaqqum tree that, like molten brass, causes a seething upset stomach and then they will gulp down large amounts of violently boiling water alternated with icy cold water (37:62-68, 38:58, 40:46,56:51-55).

The guilty will beg their Lord to kill them and make an end of this punishment, but the Lord will reply, "Here you must remain" (43:77). They will wish they were but dust (78:40). But, the guilty are immortal and will endure the torments forever (43:74).

Those in torment will then beg the guards to give them a day away from their punishment (40:49). But, the guards will tell them that they had their chance and have rejected all of Allah's messengers (40:50-54). They are not allowed to relax at all and are in great despair (43:75).

AJ113 · 10-07-2003, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by atheist_in_foxhole
Information on Islamic Hell

Holy shit this Allah guy is one evil fucker isn't he?

Goober · 10-08-2003, 03:00 AM

There's a quote where Allah says the people in heaven are allowed to watch.

And Allah wants people to go to hell, there's another one where he says along the lines of "I created hell to fill with men and jinn alike", and another where he says infidels are infidels because Allah prevents them from seeing the truth.

10-07-2003, 08:09 AM	#1
godfry n. glad Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, oregon, usa Posts: 1,190	Is there an Islamic "Hell"? Most of us in western cultures are familiar with the "stick and carrot" aspect of the Christian afterlife scenarios and some of the more lurid details of the Islamic heaven, but does is anyone familiar with the afterlife fate of those who fail or refuse to accept the "truth" of Islam? Are these souls condemned to the very same eternal torture as Christian ones? And, can you provide the source within the Qu'ran that supports it? Thanks. godfry n. glad

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10-07-2003, 08:12 AM	#2
CX Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portlandish Posts: 2,829	This is perhaps a better question for GRD...

10-07-2003, 08:21 AM	#3
Heathen Dawn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 4,656	Certainly. See here and here.

10-07-2003, 09:12 AM	#4
Brian_iiiii Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: U.S.A Posts: 63	For fun you can search for the word "hell" in the Quran and Bible here: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/kjv/simple.html Interesting, the word appears 64 times in the Christian Bible, mostly in the Old Testament, but 97 times in the Quran. Seemly Mohammed (peace be unto him, there , now don't kill me okay?) was more obsessed with this concept than Jesus was.

10-07-2003, 09:58 AM	#5
Arvel Joffi Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 3,359	Your links aren't working, Heathen Dawn.

10-07-2003, 10:10 AM	#7
godfry n. glad Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, oregon, usa Posts: 1,190	They worked for me, too. And Brian5i's recommendation is enlightening, as well. Reading those gives a better idea of what the Islamic hell is like. The "fires of hell" intimates that the Islamic hell was probably an adoption of the Christian hell, which, in turn, was an adoption of the Zoroastrian smoking rivers of molten metal.... These are really fun folks. Thanks for the help, infidels. godfry n. glad

10-08-2003, 03:00 AM	#10
Goober Veteran Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,202	There's a quote where Allah says the people in heaven are allowed to watch. And Allah wants people to go to hell, there's another one where he says along the lines of "I created hell to fill with men and jinn alike", and another where he says infidels are infidels because Allah prevents them from seeing the truth.

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