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Old 03-20-2006, 09:23 AM   #31
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As far as Chess goes, many Eastern Church leaders thought that Chess was a debauched pagan ritual, and made religious edicts against it, but this seems to have only made it more popular. Zonaras was one of these fellows.
Thanks for the stuff on Zonaras and Tsetzes -- interesting. (I was familiar with Bill Thayer's version of Cassius Dio, and the epitomes of it on Zonaras and Xiphilinus). Tsetzes sounds very renaissance, doesn't he?

But (if you don't mind me pestering you) where did you get the information that Zonaras and Tsetzes wrote about this Roman custom? (Since I don't imagine, unless you are very different to most of is, that you have memorised these writers and just pulled it from your memory).

Likewise for the information about chess, which is most interesting.

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Thanks for the stuff on Zonaras and Tsetzes -- interesting. (I was familiar with Bill Thayer's version of Cassius Dio, and the epitomes of it on Zonaras and Xiphilinus). Tsetzes sounds very renaissance, doesn't he?
That is an apt description, and one I always insist to my friends is a better description for myself, when they call me a fount of useless information. My favorite response, was when someone was talking about the band the Pogues and what their name really meant, a friend said "Don't say anything more or Pat will get out his Gaelic dictionary", which they knew I had because I had taken it to a beach excursion one day for some light reading.

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But (if you don't mind me pestering you) where did you get the information that Zonaras and Tsetzes wrote about this Roman custom? (Since I don't imagine, unless you are very different to most of is, that you have memorised these writers and just pulled it from your memory).
Sorry, I meant that I got it from my Loeb editions of Cassius Dio, but a newer edition.
The older online edition seems to have it in Book 6, I thought it didn't have it at first glance.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...us_Dio/6*.html

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Likewise for the information about chess, which is most interesting.

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That is a bit of unverified chess geek trivia
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That is a bit of unverified chess geek trivia
Thanks. Ah, well, if it's unverified, do treat it with caution. It probably wouldn't withstand investigation (that from experience, from investigating other stories about Nicaea, Mithras, etc).

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Actually it is "Look behind you; remember you are but a man." in Tertullian
in Tzetzes, Chiliades

"A public slave, standing in the back part of the chariot, holds up the crown, saying in his ear: "See also what comes after."
It is difficult to measure the impact of rearview mirrors and traffic signals in Ancient literature...
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