Orthodox_Freethinker

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Please compare this verse with the following -

Titus 1
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before the world began

Hebrews 6:18
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us

Resolved -

If the material world points to an ancient earth and the common descent of species then we must accept such a conclusion given that the attributes of God are clearly seen in the creation and God himself cannot lie.

The next time you are told that "uniformitarianismsatanicnaturalismevolution" contradicts the Scriptures, please tell your friendly neighborhood creationist that God tells us to go wherever the evidence leads.

Valentine Pontifex

But for them the most important evidence is the scriptures and worldly evidence is just falible interpretations of man.

Yahzi

Unless you don't like it, of course. All evidence leads us to conclude that Jesus' resseruction is a myth, for example, but obviously you don't mean that evidence.

Selsaral

Why don't you do that? They sure as hell aren't going to listen to me (an atheist) tell them what God really meant, and most christians I talk to (including some involved in lengthy threads in EoG right now) insist God has no intention of ever providing evidence of his existence.

Besides, it would be dishonest of me to act like the bible is any authority at all, when I personally consider it a fable.

I'll just sit back and let you and the thousands of other sects of christianity squabble amongst yourselves. Just try to keep the burning and purging to a minimum this time, would you please?

lifewish

Technically this would only be a way of silencing Christian creationists. As a FSM creationist, my beliefs are unshaken.

Incidentally, I just noticed that the coursework I've been doing for the last couple of months has the initials FSM! Obviously touched by His Noodly Appendage. I must remember to eat lots of ramen before trying it again.

Orthodox_Freethinker

I am afraid you are mistaken.

Contemporary Scholarship and the Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ
William Lane Craig
http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth22.html

Orthodox_Freethinker

The antiquity of the earth is a fact regardless of the interpretations of man.

JGL53

The "scholarship" and "historical evidence" seem pretty weak to me:

1. "the resurrection appearances" - are forever merely alleged resurrection appearances told about in a book of fables, parables, and "just so" stories.

2. "the empty tomb" - how can we ever rule out "the stolen body" explanation? That seems more likely to me.

3. "the origin of the Christian faith" - the miraculous origins of Judaism and Islam - or even the miraculous origins of the Australian Aborigine's animistic religion - they all seem equally possible - or equally impossible - to me. But, then, I make an effort to avoid ethnocentrism.

Orthodox_Freethinker

The Gospels were composed before the Biblical canon was compiled and therefore, each Gospel must be examined on its own.

Joseph of Arimathea, the owner of the tomb, was a member of the Sanhedrin. If the body were stolen, it is likely that the authorities would have cried fowl.

The point made is that it would be hard to explain the rapid growth of Christianity unless the Apostles had actually witnessed what they claimed to have witnessed.

RBH

Off to BC&H with this.

RBH, E/C Mod