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Old 04-12-2009, 10:09 PM   #11
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IT IS however about HEBREW writing, something that you have repeatedly shown yourself to be woefully ignorant about.
Ah yes... but "Hebrew" itself comes from the Latin "Hebraeus."

Gotcha thar, didn't I?



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Does this look like Latin you razly ?

ויבא הפליט ויגד לאברם העברי
(Berashith 13:18)

ותקרא לאנשי ביתה ותאמר להם לאמר ראו הביא לנו איש עברי
(Berashith 39:14)

ותדבר אליו כדברים האלה לאמר בא־אלי העבד העברי אשר־הבאת לנו לצחק בי׃

(Berashith 39:17)
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Can you read these words razly?
Do you know what the word highlighted in RED is?
And by what word it is translated into the English?

Do you receive your Hebrew lessons from IamJoseph???? -- - -

Sorry razly, but I don't believe that its you who "got" me.-
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:50 PM   #12
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Good grief Joseph! Did you even bother to follow Toto's links and actually read what is being discussed?
A clue dude, the subject is the HEBREW wording of the tablet held by "Moses" that appears high on the South wall of The United States Supreme Courtroom.
This discussion is NOT about Christianity,
it is NOT about Latin,
it is NOT about Christian mistakes,
it is NOT about Jesus.

IT IS however about HEBREW writing, something that you have repeatedly shown yourself to be woefully ignorant about.

I appreciate what you say - however I refered to the source which created those monuments and documents - that they did not take this from an original Hebrew source. Such errors could not occur in original Hebrew writings, which have fail-safe criteria - each Hebrew alphabet is also a numeral, and its sum totals have to be tallied in words and verses. 'LO' = a sum of two - its omission would have thrown the math check and red signals of alarm would prompt the writer. This is why such errors are not seen in the scrolls.
More screw-ups Joseph, there is NO "error" present in the Hebrew inscription that is being discussed.
And the sculptor most certainly DID take this inscription directly "from THE Hebrew source".
I already explained, the Hebrew words that DO appear on that Supreme Court inscription, ARE correct, and proper Hebrew- written exactly as they appear in the Hebrew Torah- but you wouldn't know about that would you?
The beard of Moses' obscures the right hand portion of the stone tablet, where in the prefix "LO" would otherwise appear- if it was not hidden behind Moses' beard.
Even the spacing and proportions of the stone tablet imply that the "Lo" ("Not") would be present and visible if the beard were to be shifted slightly to the right to uncover the full inscription.
Again there is NO error present within that portion of the Hebrew that is visible.
Joseph, I am NOT a "Christian", and have no sympathy for Christianity. But in this particular case you are erroneous in attempting to pin "Christianity" as being the "bad guy", when the fact is that among American Christian's there are perhaps less than even one in a million who can even read what it is that is engraved upon that tablet.
And the sculptor who engraved it did not make any changes or errors in the Hebrew text, "artistic licence" allows him to arrange Moses' beard in any position he chooses.
Rather than slamming him, people who love The Torah, and the Hebrew letters and language ought to be thankful that he was one bold enough, when he could have so easily have coped out, as to engrave the actual Hebrew letters and text on a monument appearing within the very chambers of the highest Court in America, The United States Supreme Court.
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Gematria is also pretty much a crock.

One thing nobody claims it can do is cross check the correctness of a scroll. Your claim is just breathtaking in its delusionality.
That is incorrect. A word can have more than one application, depending on its context. Here, the implementation of a checking criteria signifies a quest to arrve at the correct meaning. That this faculty has also produced many charalatans does not negate its primal reason.

Gamatria cannot be done with other languages which alphabets are not also numerals.This facility also renders errors virtually impossible to occur. The dead sea scrolls marks the longest period of no changes or errors of any other writings in existence; excepting only those etched in stone.
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The beard of Moses' obscures the right hand portion of the stone tablet, where in the prefix "LO" would otherwise appear- if it was not hidden behind Moses' beard.
Even the spacing and proportions of the stone tablet imply that the "Lo" ("Not") would be present and visible if the beard were to be shifted slightly to the right to uncover the full inscription.
Again there is NO error present within that portion of the Hebrew that is visible.
Joseph, I am NOT a "Christian", and have no sympathy for Christianity. But in this particular case you are erroneous in attempting to pin "Christianity" as being the "bad guy", when the fact is that among American Christian's there are perhaps less than even one in a million who can even read what it is that is engraved upon that tablet.
And the sculptor who engraved it did not make any changes or errors in the Hebrew text, "artistic licence" allows him to arrange Moses' beard in any position he chooses.
Rather than slamming him, people who love The Torah, and the Hebrew letters and language ought to be thankful that he was one bold enough, when he could have so easily have coped out, as to engrave the actual Hebrew letters and text on a monument appearing within the very chambers of the highest Court in America, The United States Supreme Court.
I guess the law against 'IMAGES' applies here. Better to absorb via the mind and heart than the eye, which can cause one to go astray. Obviously, th sculptor was not initiated in the correct laws of the Hebrew.
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Sorry razly, but I don't believe that its you who "got" me.-
Yes, but at least I have a sense of humour.

You honestly couldn't tell I was being sarcastic? Not even with the smiley face?

I give up on humanity. I do, I do.

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The beard of Moses' obscures the right hand portion of the stone tablet, where in the prefix "LO" would otherwise appear- if it was not hidden behind Moses' beard.
Even the spacing and proportions of the stone tablet imply that the "Lo" ("Not") would be present and visible if the beard were to be shifted slightly to the right to uncover the full inscription.
Again there is NO error present within that portion of the Hebrew that is visible.
Joseph, I am NOT a "Christian", and have no sympathy for Christianity. But in this particular case you are erroneous in attempting to pin "Christianity" as being the "bad guy", when the fact is that among American Christian's there are perhaps less than even one in a million who can even read what it is that is engraved upon that tablet.
And the sculptor who engraved it did not make any changes or errors in the Hebrew text, "artistic licence" allows him to arrange Moses' beard in any position he chooses.
Rather than slamming him, people who love The Torah, and the Hebrew letters and language ought to be thankful that he was one bold enough, when he could have so easily have coped out, as to engrave the actual Hebrew letters and text on a monument appearing within the very chambers of the highest Court in America, The United States Supreme Court.
I guess the law against 'IMAGES' applies here. Better to absorb via the mind and heart than the eye, which can cause one to go astray. Obviously, th sculptor was not initiated in the correct laws of the Hebrew.
One can always seek a pretext. The sculpter was a man with a strong respect for The Torah, and for the Hebrew language- else he would not have employed it at all
The "law against images" was that one should not attempt to make images of a god, "to bow down to them, or to serve them"
It is Moses' being depicted, and no one is expected to bow down before this image, worship this image, serve, or offer up sacrifices to this image.

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As far as I have been able to detect, the Hebrew writing that is engraved on Moses' tablet is the only legible (if not just -only-) writing appearing anywhere on the friezes.
To me this indicates a high degree of respect for the Hebrew language and actual commandments.
If that respect was not there, A.Weinman would have disdained even using Hebrew, and have easily escaped any controversy by employing the artistic devices that -commonly- are employed, that is, of only revealing a sequence of Roman Numerals, perhaps followed by an English rendition, or by deliberately obscured, smugged, or 'simulated' and unreadable prose.
That the unmistakably Hebrew letters are so deeply incised, and legible, shows a profound reverence for them. No "faking it" would suit his purpose.

The suggestion that the words were intended to represent The Bill of Rights or anything else is strongly counter-indicated by their exacting conformity to the actual words that appear within the Hebrew Torah.
As it is, it amounts to a master stroke of artistic genius. Adroitly addressing the problems of any claims and protests being raised, because,
No, the Ten Commandments are NOT being publicly displayed.
While at the same time, words that could only be from The Ten Commandments are prominently evident, and to anyone knowing what they are looking at,
It IS a display of The Ten Commandments.

Way to go Mr Weinman!
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Yes, but at least I have a sense of humour.

You honestly couldn't tell I was being sarcastic? Not even with the smiley face?

I give up on humanity. I do, I do.

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Bottom line is that the artist got it, sadly, about right...
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