rhutchin

Understanding what the Bible tell us does not require that you believe it.

The Biblical account indicates that the ark was basically a barge and rectangular in shape. You don't have to believe that there was an ark to understand this.

rhutchin

You had to be a farm boy.

Sheshbazzar

It is my belief that the Ark as incorporated into the Hebrew text, was intended to be understood as being fictional by the knowledgeable.
The Ark is an imaginary 'fabricated vessel', created to convey and express certain absolute, unchanging, and unchangeable mathematical, proportional, and geometrical standards.
The other fantastic and 'foolish' elements of the Ark 'story' are placed there to serve as an effective camouflage and distraction to anyone who is insincere or superficial in their 'searching', and so inclined to treat ancient and very 'heavy' matters lightly.
Fixed and common standards of measurement, of length, of weight, and of volume, are essential to the operation of any government (even a Kingdom), and are effective for unifying a diverse population holding common 'standards'.
There is a standard that is one standard over all standards.
Some among men are given the vision to see it, but many will not.

driver8

The cubit as a unit of measure has had any number of meanings, anywhere from about 20 inches to perhaps as much as 4 feet.

If the waters rose by fifteen cubits (25 - 60 feet) as stated above, what sort of hills and mountains do you think would have been covered?

Did this event perhaps take place in some type of miniaturized playscape? Or could this be taken as evidence that the earth was indeed once flat?

John Kesler

Morton knows that science does not support a global flood, but his claim that the Bible is consistent with a local flood is unconvincing. Morton's concluding statement tacitly admits that he is trying to make the Bible fit science: "The Bible does not require a global flood, and the evidence goes against that view. Local flood theories are Biblically acceptable and observationally required."

See this thread for scriptural passages which show that the Bible teaches a worldwide flood.

rhutchin

Given that the flood waters rose 15 cubits, then that would seem to indicate that mountains in the pre flood would were not that high. Unless the language means 15 cubits above the highest mountain. That still was probably not too high compared to what we have today.

My suspicion is that the pre-flood world was relatively flat.

Johnny Skeptic

A global flood or a localized flood? If the later, where did it occur, and when?

Regarding your claim that the pre-flood was relatively, what are your geological and/or historical sources, or is the Bible your only source?

Johnny Skeptic

You can ask him yourself at glennmorton@entouch.net.

Sarpedon

I recently visited the Arizona Desert Museum, which is an arboratum, science museum, and zoo all rolled into one, and they had an interesting artifact there: A sphere of stone, about a foot in diameter. It appeared smooth, but to the touch one could tell that it had plenty of texture; minute ridges and fissures. The tag that went with this exhibit said that it represented the surface of the earth; not that it could be used as a map, but that the high points and low points were analogous in scale to the ball as are the high and low places on the surface of the earth.

So, feeling this object, I could see that the apologist notion that a flatter earth would allow for a biblical flooding seemed dubious.

That, and the fact that the continental plates are very ancient.

Sheshbazzar

Water fifteen cubits deep? and twenty cubits deep, eh?

Who has sincere desire to fathom the hidden things of old time?
And to search out, and to know the mysteries of The Kingdom?

Who among you values equity in all manner of meteyard and measure?
(Lev 19:35)

And desires to build what it is to be built, 'on the level', upright, plumb, foursquare and everlasting?

Water for a level, a builders line, a plummet, and a measuring reed in his hand, is what every wise builder will take to his work.

How 'deep' IS this water?

"But when the fourteenth night was come, as we were driven up and down in Adria, about midnight the shipmen deemed that they drew near to some country;
And sounded, and found twenty fathoms: and when they had gone a little further, they sounded again, and found fifteen fathoms."

What think you, are the knots in a fathoming line equally spaced, or are they not?
How many 'yards', how many 'feet', and how many 'inches' do you believe (trust) to be in "twenty fathoms" and in "fifteen fathoms"?

Are the demarcations incised upon your measuring 'yardstick' equal, or not? Do you possess more digits upon your right hand, than upon your left hand?

Add up the sum. Subtract the difference. Divide the whole.

Fourteen days have how many hours?
and fifteen days?
How many minutes?
How many seconds?
And how many of each of these are in a perfect square?
rectangle?
or 'foursquare' cube?

How many days are in 360 weeks?

Don't post your answers here. Post them to your conscience.