The Witness

You're putting conditions on the Bible, that's something I can't do. I can only tell you what the prophecies say. Below is my personal scenario on the endtime.

A war occurs resulting in the greatest loss of life ever seen. In the aftermath, The U.N. will declare that something must be done to insure nothing like this ever happens again. They will declare the birth of the new world community. This community will have one army, because you cannot have a war if there is only one army. Naturally, every country will not concede to giving up their sovereignty. For instance, the United States and Israel.

A deal concerning the Arabs and Israelis will be brokered. It centers on the main point of contention between the two, the temple mount. The deal will be a seven-year treaty allowing the Jews to build a temple on the temple mount, and resume the daily sacrifices.

Animal rights activists and other groups will protest the sacrifices. Consequently, half way through the seven years, the one who brokered the treaty will go to the temple and stop the sacrifices. The Jews will accept this because he will claim to be their messiah, thereby negating the need for sacrifices.

Around this same time, the one claiming to be messiah, with the support of the U.N./world community will declare a new method of commerce. A cashless society. Because only drug dealers and terrorists need cash. The new method dictates that you must be listed as a member of the new world community in order to buy or sell something.

Somewhere in all of this, a Global Ethic will be established. It says that there are many pathways to God. Because the three root causes of war are politics, economics, and religion. Anyone claiming that their religion is the only way to God will be prosecuted under the charge of HATE CRIMES or CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. This will be enforced by an entity already in existence, the International Criminal Court.

And finally, Jerusalem will continue to be in a state of unrest. So much so that the new world community army will be set to invade Israel. The Bible says the Euphrates River will be dried up in order to accomplish this. The Euphrates is no small river, so how will this be done? It already has once. In 1990 Turkey stopped the flow of the Euphrates for one month to fill up a newly built reservoir. It is when Israel is on the brink of destruction that Jesus will return to the Mount of Olives.

gregor

Witness:

Well, you failed to meet my request: Please set a date limit. At least Falwell and other set an outside date. The balance of your story is interesting, but no different than the predictions made since 34 CE.

However, let me specifically address one of your "predictions"

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1. "A war occurs resulting in the greatest loss of life ever seen. In the aftermath, The U.N. will declare that something must be done to insure nothing like this ever happens again."
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Sounds like WWI and its aftermath.
Or WWII and its aftermath.

The balance fails to set forth any specific biblical reference or, more importantly, any time period. I might die in the next 60 years. Will it occur before then? Will it occur in the next 60,000 years?

Please tell me the range of dates.

If if doesn't occur in the next 60,000 years, can we agree that any biblically-based theory is just flat wrong?

Sensei Meela

I apolgize for loosing this poster on you all, as I am the Drunken Master of the Lyceum that he referred to in his OP. The 'back-up board' thing was entirely his invention, as I had merely suggested he try his ruse here on a more, um 'sophisticated' crowd, as the thread at the Lyceum degenerated into berating missives and sarcasm.

Most everything relevant has already been said by others, so I will take my leave, for now.

Sarpedon

Sensei Meela, we thank you for bringing more prey to the forum.

Also, I note that the prey also ignored my objections.

unregistered_user_1

Some of the "messianic prophecy" stuff was dealt with here, talking about Jesus' 2nd coming...

The Witness

I'm totally against date setting, but as I said in my first post it may take 10 or 20 years for events to unfold. I'm aware that Christians have always said the prophecies are coming true. I would say that's because the Bible instructs us to always be watchful. The fact is that we now live in a time that points to the fulfillment of more prophecies than since the time of Jesus.

The firmest timline I can give you goes by two names: the final 7 years, or Daniel's 70th week. The signing of the treaty (confirmation of the covenant) allowing the 3rd Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount begins the final 7 years. Halfway through the final 7 years the antichrist goes to the temple and causes the sacrifices to cease, this event is known as the abomination of desolation and the beginning of the tribulation. 3 1/2 years later the world army invades Israel at the battle of Armageddon. It is at this time that Jesus returns to cast the antichrist and the false prophet into the lake of fire.

The point of the Israel Challenge was to make people aware of what to look for before hand; people that might not know what the Bible says will happen shortly before Jesus returns.

Answerer

Yawnz......Biblical prophecy never came true, there are lots of speculations by Christians in the 20th and 19th century but still they didn't come true. Why should this be an exceptional case?

Some people just can't wait to go to heaven.

:boohoo: :boohoo:

The Witness

Thumper, if you make it here...

city of seven hills = Rome

Antichrist will not come from Israel

The Pope will not be the Antichrist, the Pope will be the false prophet

spin

This stuff has little to do with BC&H.

The writer of the OP doesn't seem to know about the loss of the original contexts for texts that get reinterpreted as future prophecies, as against prophecies which describes the events that are happening. Daniel 9:27 is part of a historical perspective on events leading up to the pollution of the temple by Antiochus IV who stopped sacrifice at the temple of Jerusalem. Antiochus removed the anointed high priest Onas III. Three and a half years (ie the middle of the seven) after Onias was murdered (ie the anointed one is cut off), Antiochus pollutes the temple and totally stops sacrifices. The event happened in 167 BCE, that's not long before Daniel's visions were written. The historical analysis of Daniel can be found in any scholarly commentary on Daniel.

Antiochus appears in four of these visions, twice as the little horn once as the ruler who will pollute the temple and once as the king of the north. The first time as the little horn on the head of the Seleucid elephant, the fourth beast of Daniel 7. This little horn surplants three others (Seleucus IV, an unnumbered Antiochus and Heliodorus) and no Jesus isn't the one like a son of man. This figure is a parallel to Baal who defeats the sea (Yamm, as in Dan 7:3) and rides up to heaven on the clouds to take his throne (note 7:13 he rides the clouds into heaven where we find the ancient of days).

Only the most fundamentalist of xians hold to the insertion of Jesus into Daniel, ignoring the historical context of the text. Fundamentalist logic is not particularly conducive to being able to argue rationally for BC&H. This thread belongs elsewhere.


spin

Weltall

You revived a thread that was dead for six months after being soundly thrashed the first time around?! Just let it die already like nature intended. I predict an ~Elsewhere'y~ doom for this thread.