The Witness

Until further notice, this is the official back-up message board for the Lyceum. Thanks to Drunken Master for the suggestion.

The Israel Challenge:

Welcome to the "back-up" message board to meet at in case Nightly ever shuts down. That way when future prophecies are fulfilled, we can continue talk about it. Because it may take 10 or 20 years or more for everything to unfold. What I'm saying is that as our lives goes on, pay attention to what is happening in Jerusalem. When you understand the historic significance of the Jews building their 3rd temple on the temple mount, and when you understand how that relates to Biblical history, it puts the middle-east conflict in a new light.

Would a prophecy fulfilled in 1948 be too far in the past for us validate? I mean, no one at Nightly was alive back then. How could we validate it? Can we trust history textbooks back to 1948? Would it depend on what the prophecy says? Of course I'm talking about the rebirth of the nation Israel.

When you think about it, it really isn’t much of a challenge because major events concerning Israel are always in the news. The Bible says specific events will occur:

-As mentioned above, a Jewish Temple built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

-A man that causes the animal sacrifices in the Temple to stop.

-That same man going to the Temple and claiming to be messiah or God.

-People being locked out of the economy for refusing to pledge allegiance to the "Global Ethic", which forbids religious exclusivity (it will be illegal to say that Jesus is the only way to salvation).

-Two guys who will be dubbed The Two Witnesses are killed and their bodies are allowed to remain in the street for three days.

-A coalition force (UN?) crossing a dried up Euphrates River to invade Israel. Turkey has been able to stop the river with the flick of a switch since 1990 (Attaturk Dam). Shortly after the invasion Jesus will return to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.

Silent Dave

If there was a challenge for a formal debate in that post, I failed to see it.


Dave

pistonhips

[offensive remarks deleted - NS]


Edit: Let's try to keep the banter friendly or constructive, shall we? - NS

Kryten

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what is going on here. As a new member still getting used to the site, this post looks as if it belongs elsewhere. Perhaps on another site entirely?

KnightWhoSaysNi

We're not really sure either. I don't really know what Witness is saying, but if he wants some sort of debate challenge dealing with the Israel prophecy, then he's welcome to it. Though he needs to communicate to us more clearly his intentions.

Jason

slept2long

If your interested in the context of the non-debate challenge go here. The quotes in his OP at the above link, from two posters, Qui-Gon Vodka and Jango Fett, are from this thread at the Nightly.net boards. Apparently The Witness is looking for evidence of fulfilled biblical prophecies or something. WARNING: following the above links may still not make it clear why the witness posted the above.

The Witness

This thread is not a challenge to a debate. Please move it if necessary, sorry :notworthy

btw: which forum is best suited to host a prophecy thread?

The backstory of THE ISRAEL CHALLENGE:
It started at Nightly.net with a post I made about the odds of one person fulfilling the prophecies concerning the first coming of Jesus. It was meant to show the validity of the Bible through prophecy. I challenged some members to watch Israel as the years go by because that's where endtime prophecy culminates.

I thought this would be a perfect place to discuss future prophetic fulfillment in case Nightly.net shuts down.

The Evil One

The Witness, if you want to discuss biblical prophecy informally, there are plenty of people in Biblical Criticism & History who will oblige you.

On the other hand, speaking solely as an average user with no connection whatsoever to the IIDB forum management, it seems a bit cheeky to open up threads on a board where you don't participate to serve as a "back up" in case your board of preference goes down.

KnightWhoSaysNi

Probably, Biblical Criticism & History. I'll send it there. Though I suspect the BC&H mods may prefer it to go ~Elsewhere~. I'll leave it up to them...

Jason

Jack the Bodiless

As this is now on IIDB (and now in the correct forum), I presume it's fair game for the regulars here?

The Witness:
Perhaps you should demonstrate that the re-emergence of Israel in 1948 WAS a fulfilment of prophecy: what "prophecy"? So far, all I've seen are verses which actually referred to the re-emergence of the Kingdom of Israel after the Babylonian captivity, blatantly ripped out of context.
Chapter and verse for each, please (I'm assuming Revelations, yes?)

Not that they've happened, of course.
Given the number of prophecies which have already failed, I'd say the odds of all prophecies being fulfilled is zero. Maybe some will be fulfilled eventually (by coincidence, if nothing else).