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Old 08-05-2007, 01:48 PM   #41
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LOL. So when a Holocaust survivor claimed that God helped him through, the whole story became a myth!
The part about God helping him is definitely a myth. The factual part about surviving the holocaust isn't. If collected in a book about Jewish history that follows a completely supernatural disposition, then it all becomes part of Jewish Mythology, which doesn't mean that the factual parts become false. Mythology might (almost always does), contain elements of truth. It is the general inclination towards the supernatural that makes it mythology.
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LOL. So when a Holocaust survivor claimed that God helped him through, the whole story became a myth!
The part about God helping him is definitely a myth.
Can you name one mainstream anthropologist who supports this conclusion? Or are you just in the habit of redefining words to suit your agenda?
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My OP is not ridiculous nor inaccurate. The Bible as a whole represents a world view wholly dependent on the supernatural in all its levels (cosmological, historical, psychological etc.) It is therefore Judeo-Christian Mythology. To deny this is to deny the definition of myth and mythology, of secularist thinking, of comparative religion etc. Considering that you claim being atheistic (If I remember correctly), I fail to understand the motive for your position, unless it be the result of intellectual exhaustion.
I'm just sick and tired of people taking cheap shots at religion.
Yes, much better to haul out the heavy guns and take careful aim.

Putting on my mod hat, could I respectfully request that everyone tone things down just a little, however entertaining this has been?
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The Noah/flood is a fable. The talking ass of Balaam is a fable. The Garden of Eden with a talking snake is a fable. Jonah in a fish's belly is a fable. //The prophets do not so much as predict YHWh's behavior as try to interpret events of the day (Babylonian conquest of Judah for example) through a prism of Judaean's breaking God's law and being deserving of his punishment. Pure twaddle of course. Not a myth so much as a superstition.
Noah and the flood = Myth
The Garden of Eden and the Fall of Man = Myth

That all are fabulous doesn't make them "fables".
As the dictionary definition says, short stories containing talking animals are considered fables.

fable: a short tale to teach a moral lesson, often with animals or inanimate objects as characters



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Aesop's fable are very different from the stories in the bible.
They may be different but they are both fables. IMO. No biggie.

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Although there is no reason why the concept myth and fable can not overlap in certain stories.
OK, then!

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The prophets were interpreting historical occurrences through the prism of the supernatural, thus their writings fall under the sphere of the mythological.
Yes. Myths use the supernatural to explain natural events.
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More correctly, myths use the supernatural to explain natural phenomena. Not events.
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I'm just sick and tired of people taking cheap shots at religion.
Then why do you hang out here? Glutton for punishment, masochist?


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The part about God helping him is definitely a myth.
Can you name one mainstream anthropologist who supports this conclusion? Or are you just in the habit of redefining words to suit your agenda?
He is going by the dictionary definition. No "mainstream anthropologist" needed.

Myths – stories that a particular culture believes to be true and that use the supernatural to interpret natural events and to explain the nature of the universe and humanity.
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Warring and conquest is part of the nature of humanity.
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I'm just sick and tired of people taking cheap shots at religion.
Then why do you hang out here? Glutton for punishment, masochist?
Believe it or not, there are some intelligent people lurking here.

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He is going by the dictionary definition. No "mainstream anthropologist" needed.

Myths – stories that a particular culture believes to be true and that use the supernatural to interpret natural events and to explain the nature of the universe and humanity.
Oh yes, because online dictionaries are definitive of the latest scientific works. Next thing you know he'll be saying that all Pharisees are hypocrites because the dictionary says so.
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Can you name one mainstream anthropologist who supports this conclusion? Or are you just in the habit of redefining words to suit your agenda?
Can you name one mainstream anthropologist who would not support this conclusion? Care to explain how someone claiming God's help does not fall into the category of; ...story dealing with supernatural beings.. explaining aspects of the natural world... (part of the aforementioned definition of myth).

I still don't understand the basis for your negative position.
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Oh yes, because online dictionaries are definitive of the latest scientific works.

What "latest scientific works" are you referring to? All we are talking about is whether the Bible contains Jewish and Xtian myths and fables.

You're moving the goal posts.
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