zachhanke

Is eating pork any worse than killing somebody according to the Bible?

They are both sins. But are they equal?

I don't mean morally either btw. Straight biblical speak here...

Wallener

Depends on the circumstances of the killing.

offa

yes, it is not a good idea to kill your brother. that is explicitly pointed out in Cain and Abel. Eating pork is like having sex with a gentile. The gentiles were pigs on the animal hierarchy and they would not allow the Hebrews to circumcise them, which cirumcision meant the removal of the penis (instead of the foreskin) and walla! the gentile girls were not fair game for the Hebrews! This refusal of submission did not allow the Hebrews to "eat" the pork. Anybody who reads King James can surmise that the honey Jonathan ate was one of Saul's wives. When we get to the woman at the well, she kept her calendar by the moon (moon god sin) and, therefore she was a sinner. Jesus, as a twelve year old left his lunar family and chose a "father" who was a gentile solarist (kept a solar calendar). When Jesus sold this belief to his older sister (Jesus had two sisters and five brothers and they were all full siblings) Martha, who was the wife of Simon Magus (Lazuras) she got the word out. Jesus said he who is not a sinner (does not use the lunar calendar) let him cast the 1st stone! Simon Magus had the rank of a number 5 which is as high as a Samaritan can go, therefore, Martha had five husbands, that is, a #5 for a husband.

Boomeister

I am not a Christian anymore, but I'm very familiar with Christianity. My response to your reply is "huh?"
I truly don't understand where you're getting this from. Can you explain this more? and how did you come to the conclusion of the lunar calendar, solar calendar, and this interpretation?

Boomeister

Boomeister

I'm not sure where they get "all sins are equal before the Lord" kind of thinking.
There is situational ethics all through the Old Testament. There is choosing the lesser of two evils, as well. Abraham and Sarah lied about their marriage and claimed to be brother and sister, in order to not get killed. People were stoned for violating laws...which means sometimes killing was seen as okay.
Was pork treated as the same as killing someone? I guess it depends on who was eating the pork and who the victim of the killing were.


Boomeister

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From what I've heard from some thiests on this forum, it pretty much somes down to this:

Mankind is evil and deserves to be punished.
God is just.
Therefore God must punish us for being evil.
(I'd add commentary here about how God was the one who supposedly made us, so that any flaws we have are what he put in us, but for the sake of the point I'll refrain this time.)
However, by stroking God's ego properly, one can avoid this punishment by virtue of an act of human sacrifice that may or may not have happened 2000 years ago.

Humanity is evil and depraved from the get-go, so there is no point in differentiating between eating pork or murdering someone. All that is just window-dressing. As long as you kiss the God ring properly, all is forgiven.

And people wonder why I think the Christian faith is seriously ill...

gee

zachhanke;

In the Christian view, Christ said it best when confronted with the issue: (paraphrasing) "It is not what goes into the mouth that makes you unclean it is what comes out."

Thinking along this line; if you kill somebody - what you ate for dinner is irrelevant.

There's more to this, but just to start off...

gee

Wallener

The quote is out of context: it wasn't about the content of meal - all evidence is Jesus kept strictly kosher - it was about washing hands before a meal. And frankly, Jesus got this one wrong: not washing hands when eating from communal plates can not only make one unclean, it can cause serious illness.

offa

Look up the moon-god sin. he is older than christianity. I have read over and again "the book of jubilees" and understand their calendar including the extra 17 1/2 days every 14 years. Those gentiles of jubilees tracked the sun for time. Jesus does mention jubilee which is far better than our old testament.
Jesus Christ did exist, was crucified in A.D. 33 and survived. He died in A.D. 70 and was 77 years old. As a twelve year-old Child he was 24 years old chronology wise.
the book of John is all about "Time" and it was written 1st. Jesus' prediction of the "fall of Jerusalem" was not about the Jewish War of A.D. 66 but about "his" Jerusalem that was invaded by Caiaphas and Pilate in A.D. 33. His six hours of darkness was about an intercalation to correct the solar year. If you have an extra six-hours of darkness every Spring Equinox you do not need a leap-year every four years. and who the hell is Ben Franklin and Daylight Savings Time?

gee

Wallener;

You're right. This was out of context of the pork thing. I should check better next time. Sorry.

Having said that; Matthew 14:19 I think is still relevant here; (eating pork and washing hands while good hygenic practices, weren't the most important point in my view.) "......out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder......"

Being hygenic while killing someone doesn't do you any good (or the person you're killing).

gee