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Old 07-13-2012, 05:37 AM   #51
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But when was this story developed given that it references Simon Magus? The second century CE. Which is the point of the OP.
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But where is the evidence that Drusilla the Jewish victim of magical love potions is a real person outside of this source?
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Do we at least all agree that Acts got its information about Felix and Drusilla the Jewish princess from Josephus?
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But when was this story developed given that it references Simon Magus? The second century CE. Which is the point of the OP.
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His most important works were ............... Antiquities of the Jews (c. 94)[/T2]
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There's an outrageous story that Clinton had Vince Foster murdered, just because it's false doesn't mean Vince Foster didn't exist.
But where is the evidence that Drusilla the Jewish victim of magical love potions is a real person outside of this source?
Even IF Josephus were the only source for this Drusilla, and I'm not sold on that, proving that one passage to be a later insertion DOESN'T PROVE JOSEPHUS DIDN'T WRITE MOST OF THE REST!

You aren't arguing that the Simon Magus story didn't happen, you're arguing that because it didn't happen it was inserted by Christian writers (for shits and giggles?) and that because ONE BIT of Josephus is an interpolation, ALL OF IT must have been written by Christians at a later time.

I'm sorry that you don't see why some people would find that last bit to be completely insane.

The fact that it has now been brought to my attention that you wrote a book related to this idea on a topic that is equally specious and absurd, and that someone almost certainly dishonestly wrote fluff Amazon reviews of this book on your behalf that have inflated its rating shows that you aren't even slightly intellectually honest.

If you actually faked a positive review by Robert Price then that puts you in a pretty low category.

I suppose I should go have a look at the Simon Magus passage in Josephus to see if the author wrote it in such a way as to indicate he actually BELIEVED the "magic love potions" worked.
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I'm not sold on that
I don't care if you can't provide any evidence to the contrary.

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You aren't arguing that the Simon Magus story didn't happen, you're arguing that because it didn't happen it was inserted by Christian writers
No I am arguing that it follows a pattern which suggests the material associated with Joisephus was written by synergoi in the second century.

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I'm sorry that you don't see why some people would find that last bit to be completely insane.
You obviously don't know anything about the synergoi. I'd suggest you brush up on your knowledge of Josephus. Shaye Cohen among others acknowledges that the earliest texts of Josephus were developed from an original hypomnema written by a Joseph in the first century but at a later period. It's only insane because you know nothing about scholarship on the subject of Josephus.

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If you actually faked a positive review by Robert Price then that puts you in a pretty low category.
I hardly think that I faked this review any more than you are now faking your qualifications for even engaging in a discussion with me on this subject. http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.c..._samaritan.htm What the hell is the matter with people like you? Why don't you do some research before you accuse people of stuff like this.

The problem is that you aren't in a position to criticize a theory that you don't understand.
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I suppose I should go have a look at the Simon Magus passage in Josephus to see if the author wrote it in such a way as to indicate he actually BELIEVED the "magic love potions" worked.
No, I think you should continue to decide what is plausible or implausible in history from complete ignorance and your 'gut feeling' about an issue. No sense clouding matters with reasoned thought or making yourself familiar with the subject matter. You're so typical. Prone to outrage and outbursts over things you don't understand, don't care to spend the time to think about before you 'put your two cents' in. No one expects more or less from you.
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