stephan huller

I find the whole Testamonium Flavianum debate utterly boring because it assumes that there was a first century Josephus text which became 'infiltrated' by Christian ideas in the second century. I think the whole work is a second century forgery. Here is the first of a hundred reasons for thinking so:

Clearly the whole romance with Felix ascribed to a daughter of Agrippa named Drusilla never occurred the author saw the similarities in names and invented the incident. A first century author could not have made this mistake.

aa5874

What exactly was written in the 2nd century??? You have the ORIGINALS???

Please, don't bore us with your imagination.

Please, get the originals so that we can at least see if what you say is correct.

You have NOTHING???

Duvduv

Well, there are so many mysteries about Josephus, but isn't it possible that Josephus was not the person who wrote the whole Massada myth in the 1st century anyway. So maybe his writings are also composites.

mountainman

Well, also, the most pure canonical Christian heresiologists did not appear at all interested in writing any Christian Church history in the 1st or 2nd or even 3rd centuries of the most Common Era. Only in the 4th century did the most pure canonical Christian heresiologists became very interested in forging using any Jewish historians from the 1st century. Hello Josephus? Do you read me Josephus? Over.

He was the Christ for Christ's Sake!!!

stephan huller

Hegessipus = 2nd century
Justin = 2nd century
Irenaeus = late 2nd century

Minimalist

delete

Juststeve

A rather idiosyncratic point of view to state with such confidence. A lot of specialists who have spent careers on Josephus would have to be wrong for the OP to be anywhere close to right. Is that likely?

Steve

aa5874

You present a most logical fallacy--the majority is or likely to be right. What absurd notion!!! What BS!!! Please, don't even attempt to play the numbers game with atheists and others in the minority.

It is actual evidence that matters NOT numbers.

Iskander

He is asking for the evidence that would support the OP .

You should praise his post.

Toto

Which specialists have actually addressed this issue? We know that there was at least some tampering with Josephus - has any expert detailed the full extent, or reasons to trust the text, when our earliest copy is from the 10th century? (This is not a rhetorical question. I don't know - I'm asking.)