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Gawen · 02-09-2004, 06:36 PM

Due to copyright, here is the link. And I think I'll not be going to any more Mel Gibson movies either.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4212741/

What rotten luck. I'm on page three and MSN decides to drop me, along with hotmail and IM....those fargin iceholes...
At any rate, those who are interested, I'd like to see refute and/or review this article if they can. Sooner or later I'll be able to read the whole thing....I hope.

Amaleq13 · 02-09-2004, 07:54 PM

I know the pope's people are denying that he said anything about the movie.

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Originally posted by Gawen
those fargin iceholes

Kudos for the Johnny Dangerously reference.

CX · 02-10-2004, 08:27 AM

I have always contended that it was a second Roman on the grassy knoll who actually killed jesus.

MortalWombat · 02-10-2004, 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by CX
I have always contended that it was a second Roman on the grassy knoll who actually killed jesus.

Yes, notice the position of the head:

Forward, and to the right .... Forward, and to the right.

David Banner · 02-10-2004, 01:55 PM

read about half so far. i'll finish it later.

the evidence for jesus the man existing is flimsy at best and completely non-existant at worst.

Llyricist · 02-10-2004, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by David Banner
read about half so far. i'll finish it later.

the evidence for jesus the man existing is flimsy at best and completely non-existant at worst.

In which case, the Christians both created and killed him

Doctor X · 02-10-2004, 03:48 PM

I have always questioned that "single nail theory."

Judas "kills himself" within three days of the execution . . . sure . . . he "hung himself" or he "exploded. . . ."

--J.D.

Doctor X · 02-10-2004, 03:57 PM

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[From the article.--Ed.] Though countless believers take it as the immutable word of God, Scripture is not always a faithful record of historical events; the Bible is the product of human authors who were writing in particular times and places with particular points to make and visions to advance. And the roots of Christian anti-Semitism lie in overly literal readings?which are, in fact, misreadings?of many New Testament texts.

Well . . . that is refereshing from a "popular" newsource. Someone tell the nightly pundits.

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"So it's not singling them out and saying, 'They did it.' That's not so," Gibson told the Global Catholic Network in January. "We're all culpable. I don't want to lynch any Jews... I love them. I pray for them."

What a mensch. . . .

Now I remember why I hate their website with the ads and cookies. . . .

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The two earliest and most reliable extra-Biblical references to Jesus?those of the historians Josephus and Tacitus?say Jesus was executed by Pilate.

OOOOPPSSS!!!! Makes a major mistake right there.

Anyways, it seems the writer is presenting the argument that the Romans, and only the Romans, had the ability to execute--crucify--people. Now a bad start for "popular" press but old news here.

--J.D.

Weltall · 02-10-2004, 05:32 PM

Tacitus and Josephus are reliable references to Jesus now? Well that's it; they said it and I believe it. Please excuse me, I've got to go sell off this nice bridge...

butswana · 02-10-2004, 06:37 PM

I have NEVER seen or heard Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny or any of the others debunked/refuted on a tv show or in print news media. Since this is the only real "evidence" they can dig up to support a historical Jesus, I don't think it'll be happening any time soon.

02-09-2004, 06:36 PM	#1
Gawen Contributor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cylon Occupied Texas, but a Michigander @ heart Posts: 10,326	Who killed Jesus? MSNBC article Due to copyright, here is the link. And I think I'll not be going to any more Mel Gibson movies either. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4212741/ What rotten luck. I'm on page three and MSN decides to drop me, along with hotmail and IM....those fargin iceholes... At any rate, those who are interested, I'd like to see refute and/or review this article if they can. Sooner or later I'll be able to read the whole thing....I hope.

02-10-2004, 08:27 AM	#3
CX Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portlandish Posts: 2,829	Re: Who killed Jesus? MSNBC article I have always contended that it was a second Roman on the grassy knoll who actually killed jesus.

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02-10-2004, 01:55 PM	#5
David Banner Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 8	read about half so far. i'll finish it later. the evidence for jesus the man existing is flimsy at best and completely non-existant at worst.

02-10-2004, 03:48 PM	#7
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	I have always questioned that "single nail theory." Judas "kills himself" within three days of the execution . . . sure . . . he "hung himself" or he "exploded. . . ." --J.D.

02-10-2004, 05:32 PM	#9
Weltall Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 3,283	Tacitus and Josephus are reliable references to Jesus now? Well that's it; they said it and I believe it. Please excuse me, I've got to go sell off this nice bridge...

02-10-2004, 06:37 PM	#10
butswana Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,804	I have NEVER seen or heard Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny or any of the others debunked/refuted on a tv show or in print news media. Since this is the only real "evidence" they can dig up to support a historical Jesus, I don't think it'll be happening any time soon.

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