Johnny Skeptic

What do you mean? A few weeks ago, I forget in which thread, I asked you why God predicts the future. I have forgotten what your reply was. That is why I asked you to summarize or update your previous explanations. Although I do not recall what you said, I remember that what you said did not make any sense. Unless you can come with some good reasons why God predicts the future, you lose.

Since God broke his promise to give Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar, it is already reasonably established that God is a liar, or at least that he is needlessly deceptive and deliberately causes confusion.

May I ask what good prophecies are to people who do not have access to them? Millions of people died without having any knowledge of the God of the Bible.

Bill Shatner

Does your question about Bill Shatner's career mean that you don't have any type of relevant response to my post?

Or would you keep the subject changed and babble about how Kirk kicked the crap out of a man in a rubber lizard suit?

Jack the Bodiless

Maybe you should actually try reading it sometime?

It's not very long. So it shouldn't take you long to find out that nowhere in Revelation is Israel restored.

In case you weren't aware of this: the Zionists were Jews, and Jews don't use Revelation (the fact that it's in the New Testament should give you a clue as to why). They had to drag verses out of what you'd call the "Old Testament", but Revelation wouldn't have helped them anyhow.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to sugarhitman: You are not actually as interested in Bible prophecy as you assume you are. It the Bible predicted that God will send everyone to hell, you would reject it. On the other hand, I would not accept the Bible even if it said that God will send everyone heaven for the same reasons that I do not accept it now, but I would hope that the claim was true. Not only do I not believe that God will send some people to hell, but I would not accept the Bible even if it said that God will send everyone to heaven, although I would hope that he would. If the Bible said that God will send everyone to heaven, I would not accept it for the same reasons that I do not accept it now. Following are some of my reasons for not accepting the Bible now:

1 - The Gospel writers were anonymous.

2 - The Gospel writers almost never revealed who their sources were.

3 - The Gospel writers almost never claimed that they witnessed miracles.

4 - The Gospel writers almost never revealed who their sources were.

5 - Matthew and Luke borrowed a good deal from John.

6 - It impossible to be reasonably certain how many people saw Jesus after he supposedly rose from the dead.

7 - Today, millions of Christians disagree as to what constitutes a miracle healing. There are not any good reasons for anyone to assume that it was any different back then.

If the Bible said that God will send everyone to heaven, I would still question why God injures and kills people and innocent animals with hurricanes. Unlike you, it is not my position that doing some good things justifies injuring and killing people and innocent animals, or setting up circumstances that cause people and innocent animals to be killed.

I would still question God's unmerciful desire to send skeptics to hell for eternity without parole.

As much as I would like to rubber stamp everything that God does in order to go to heaven, my morals are not up for negotiation, and I am not able to do anything about that. The only possible solution for me would be if God explained to my satisfaction why he does what he does. It is my position that a loving God, a God who I would admire and accept, would provide me with explanations for his behavior before I made up my mind whether to accept him or reject him, especially if spending eternity in heaven or hell were at stake.

So there you have it. While my beliefs would be consistent no matter what the Bible promised, you will only accept promises that you believe will ultimately benefit you. You have replaced logic and reason with emotional perceived self-interest.

Sheshonq

Will you be answering questions this time? You failed to do so last time around.

Everyone saw your response. Unfortunately it wasn't an answer to a question that anybody was asking.

So once again: explain how this was not a conditional promise, when apparently the Israelites lost parts of the land based upon their behavior (i.e., they failed to satisfy a condition).

Which refutes your claim that it was an unconditional land promise.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to sugarhitman: Please reply to my posts #90, #91, and #94.

sugarhitman

Who cares of how the restored nation of Israel came into being. The fact is that it has. Revelation and OT endtime prophecies cannot come about unless this nation (with Jerusalem being the center of these prohecies which is the most important piece of real estate in the Messianic prophecies) is restored. For years people brushed off these prophecies until the impossible happned....the restoration of the Nation of Israel. And I am amazed how people call this a "self-fulfilling prophecy" as if though Israel did not encounter any outside resistance. The fact of the matter is that the Jews had to fight for that land against overwhelming odds and forces. The arabs, Brits, the U.N. and all nations has pressured that nation since its birth to give up land that it won in the Arab-Israeli wars (The Arabs had German officers training and supplying them). Jerusalem was not given to the Jews (Jerusalem is the most important part of prophecy) they took it in the war. And even today the nations are determined to wrest it out of their hands. "Self-fulfilling prophecy" how absurd this view is....especially with all the blood on both sides being spilled over this land. Such is the mind of one who is deceived. :wave:

Jack the Bodiless

Sugarhitman: what part of THIS WAS NEVER PROPHESIED IN REVELATION do you not understand?

Have you EVER read the Bible?

Why don't you try providing CHAPTER AND VERSE for this "prophecy", and see what the Bible actually says?

sugarhitman

Being convinced that God exists means nothing "for even the demons believe that" It is to trust and LOVE God that matters and not just belief. And by some of your earlier statements and accusations against this Holy God, i cant but help to think that should you ever become convinced of His existence your obvious hate for him would only grow. Just like Pharoah who was convinced that God indeed existed (indeed he was convinced) his heart grew harder and harder against God.

I did not come to this site to convert the unconvertable. But rather to defend The Truth that is being attacked. Because who knows maybe some young believer who may not know enough of the Word stumble upon this site and become filled with doubt because of some rantings by a hard nosed ignorant critic, may be comforted by my defenses and others.


Critics like to complain that there is not enough or no evidence to support the Gospels (but yet they believe island Tyre was sieged by Nebby which there is no history to back this claim) heck much of history of anything is incomplete or non-existant. It takes faith to believe in secular history as well as Biblical history for the simple fact NONE OF US TODAY WAS THERE TO WITNESS THESE HISTORICAL EVENTS (unless the critics have a time machine, which I seriously doubt). History is subject to manipulations which anyone should now know by secular and Religious historians alike (like the lie that Columbus sailed exploring lands to convert the heathen. But in reality it was to explore for gold and extend that power of the Unholy Roman Church. People may never know the whole truth for the reasons behind world war 1 and 2 Vietnam etc. Official history is usually incomplete or just outright lies).

The history of their own beliefs are filled with little or no evidence or history, like Evolution or Paganisim. To cut it short the walk of a christian is in faith....just like anybody else who choose to believe anything produced by the past. :wave:

Jack the Bodiless

Your ignorance of your own Bible keeps tripping you up. According to the story, Pharaoh wanted to let the Hebrews go, but God intervened and "hardened his heart" to stop him doing so (because God wanted an excuse to perpetrate various atrocities on the defenseless people of Egypt).

So you're saying that God makes us into unbelievers? Possibly because he wants to toss us into Hell? Swell guy!

As for the rest of your post: it's just dribble. You've lost.