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Magus55 · 01-19-2004, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by M. Hoz
Why would you ever want to compare versions?

Because different versions translate some parts differently - so it helps to get the overall perspective of a verse.

oldstudent · 01-19-2004, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by M. Hoz
Why would you ever want to compare versions?

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Another reason is the fact that a word in one language are not always able to be translated into another language completely.
Another reason is that language changes over time and a word used say in 1611 isn't used any longer or a different word would better explain it.

Jim

CX · 01-20-2004, 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by Toto
Why is it so wonderful? It's a proselytizing site. It's also a borderline commercial site which comes close to violating the rules for this board, since it's trying to sell you a Bible (and a religion.)

I prefer www.biblegateway.com - the search engine is more useable.

PS - there is no such animal as a "Judeo-Christian Bible," and there are no specifically Jewish scriptures on that site.

There is if one realizes that "Judeo-Christian" just means "Christian". I doubt many Jews would refer to anything as "Judeo-Christian".

Doctor X · 01-21-2004, 03:04 PM

Indeed. A Jewish OT/NT scholar decries the term. It is a way to take over Judaic mythology into Christian mythology.

Nevertheless, as a bit of an aside, I knew a priest who studied comparative religion. He noted that textbooks of the 50-60s always ended with "modern conceptions" of religion or some such twaddle to prevent the books from ending with Islam. "It looked too much like a progression!"

So, why not Judeo-Christian-Islamic?

--J.D.

oldstudent · 01-24-2004, 05:23 PM

The term is wrong for sure even if many use it ignorantly.
BTW, it isn't mythology, it is the record of some of Yahweh's relations with mankind but not all of it for sure.
Jim

Doctor X · 01-25-2004, 01:59 PM

Ipse dixit and wrong, unfortunately.

It also records the enteractions between El, the Elohim, and others with various people. We should not forget the god the king sacrificed his son to which caused said god to crush the Israelites.

--J.D.

oldstudent · 01-29-2004, 01:47 PM

El, Elohim and Yahweh are the same God.

'the god the king who sacrificed his son to which said god to crush the Israelites'

What does that sentence mean?

Jim

Doctor X · 01-29-2004, 04:43 PM

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El, Elohim and Yahweh are the same God.

They were not. You can find individual iconography.

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What does that sentence mean?

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26 When the king of Moab saw that the battle was too fierce for him, he took with him 700 men who drew swords, to break through to the king of Edom; but they could not. 27 Then he took his oldest son who was to reign in his place, and offered him as a burnt offering on the wall. And there came great wrath against Israel, and they departed from him and returned to their own land.

2 Kings 3:26-27; New American Standard Bible

--J.D.

Proctors_Gambit · 01-29-2004, 05:51 PM

Just looked at the "answers" on bible.com
There are some real gems there...

On Women:

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Many times women who claim to be submissive are only outwardly going through the motions of submission ... A prayer of submission would be in order: "Father, help me to be content in the role you created me for and give me a submissive spirit..."
...
Some results that can occur when women are not in a right relationship with men are divorce, rebellious children, emotional problems and sexual frigidity.

On Sex:

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God made man and woman and brought them together "face to face." Oral sex is of homosexual origin that replaces the normal "face to face" relationship God intended in a marriage.

On 9/11

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Evil men who followed Satan did these evil deeds. Righteous men (the church as a whole in the USA), failed to keep the watch in prayer, and had become prideful, complacent and worldly, which allowed the enemy to do his evil deeds.

On T-Shirts with slogans

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Displaying evil names and pictures by wearing these types of T-shirts can be invitations to the devil to attach himself to a person or to cause a curse to come against them.

I have a copy of the KJV as a .chm file on my computer.
For reference, I'll look up that rather than deal with a site where I'm faced with such swathes of bullshit.

-Gambit

CX · 01-30-2004, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Proctors_Gambit
On Women:

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Many times women who claim to be submissive are only outwardly going through the motions of submission ... A prayer of submission would be in order: "Father, help me to be content in the role you created me for and give me a submissive spirit..."
...
Some results that can occur when women are not in a right relationship with men are divorce, rebellious children, emotional problems and sexual frigidity.

Hmmm...maybe I should try and get my wife to convert.

Interestingly, during a very short-lived phase, my wife was attending a bible study with a friend about "being a godly wife". That's pretty much what hammered the last nail in the coffin of her theistic belief.

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01-21-2004, 03:04 PM	#14
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Indeed. A Jewish OT/NT scholar decries the term. It is a way to take over Judaic mythology into Christian mythology. Nevertheless, as a bit of an aside, I knew a priest who studied comparative religion. He noted that textbooks of the 50-60s always ended with "modern conceptions" of religion or some such twaddle to prevent the books from ending with Islam. "It looked too much like a progression!" So, why not Judeo-Christian-Islamic? --J.D.

01-24-2004, 05:23 PM	#15
oldstudent Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: PA Posts: 21	The term is wrong for sure even if many use it ignorantly. BTW, it isn't mythology, it is the record of some of Yahweh's relations with mankind but not all of it for sure. Jim

01-25-2004, 01:59 PM	#16
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Ipse dixit and wrong, unfortunately. It also records the enteractions between El, the Elohim, and others with various people. We should not forget the god the king sacrificed his son to which caused said god to crush the Israelites. --J.D.

01-29-2004, 01:47 PM	#17
oldstudent Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: PA Posts: 21	El, Elohim and Yahweh are the same God. 'the god the king who sacrificed his son to which said god to crush the Israelites' What does that sentence mean? Jim

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