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Old 04-11-2010, 04:45 PM   #1
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Default Jesus and Caesar - serious criticism?
Can anyone drop a few names of academic books or serious relevant scholars criticising the ideas about the dependancies of gMark on tales about Julius Caesar?
Ideas such as put forward by Francesco Carotta.

I read this blog entry and became interested.

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Search this forum and the archives for Carotta. The wiki article seems about right.

IIRC Carotta's supporters have posted here on this forum to attack the theories of Joseph Atwill, who has a somewhat similar take on the gospels as Roman inventions based on Josephus.
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Default Arius on the "PASSIONS" of Jesus and Caesar (JC and JC)
Arius of Alexandria apparently compares the "passion of Jesus" to the "passion of Julius Caesar" using as a base text a letter written by Mark Anthony preserved in Josephus. For details see this post
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Search this forum and the archives for Carotta. The wiki article seems about right.
From the usual wikipedia standpoint, that is.

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IIRC Carotta's supporters have posted here on this forum to attack the theories of Joseph Atwill,
Some remarks were surely a bit unfortunate, but the character of a debate says nothing about the (in)validity of the theories involved.

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Joseph Atwill, who has a somewhat similar take on the gospels as Roman inventions based on Josephus.
Atwill says that the Gospel is an invention. Carotta says that the Gospel is true history, albeit transposed. These are not similar, but opposite approaches.
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Search this forum and the archives for Carotta. The wiki article seems about right.
From the usual wikipedia standpoint, that is.

Some remarks were surely a bit unfortunate, but the character of a debate says nothing about the (in)validity of the theories involved.

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Joseph Atwill, who has a somewhat similar take on the gospels as Roman inventions based on Josephus.
Atwill says that the Gospel is an invention. Carotta says that the Gospel is true history, albeit transposed. These are not similar, but opposite approaches.
Unfortunately, everything that is an invention seems to be some "true history, albeit transposed".


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Unfortunately, everything that is an invention seems to be some "true history, albeit transposed".
Yes, if you invent something, you will surely be "inspired" by preexisting (hi)stories. But that doesn't work vice versa: a complete transposition is not an invention.
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Unfortunately, everything that is an invention seems to be some "true history, albeit transposed".
Yes, if you invent something, you will surely be "inspired" by preexisting (hi)stories. But that doesn't work vice versa: a complete transposition is not an invention.
Interesting post hoc analysis.


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Yes, if you invent something, you will surely be "inspired" by preexisting (hi)stories. But that doesn't work vice versa: a complete transposition is not an invention.
Interesting post hoc analysis.
Sure.
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Interesting post hoc analysis.
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