John A. Broussard

Having now said that, can you move on to explain why your benevolent god would condemn someone to hell and it's eternal flames for ever, and ever, and ever, for simply and sincerely disbelieving in your god's existence?

I look forward to your answer.

PMC IIII

Satan isn't some red guy with a trident and a pointy tail; Satan is the spiritual opposite of the Holy Spirit. For it's thru Satan we are tempted to sin (James 1) and not through God.

Therefore if you don't believe in our loving God and His Son this immediately sets you up for sin. In other words if you don't believe then you are automatically a sinner UNWITTINGLY (emphasis) giving into the dark powers of the flesh since your ONLY (emphasis) companion now is Satan.

It naturally follows then that those who live in the flesh and not the Spirit are separated from God.
Therefore it's your disbelief and disbelief alone that separates you from God.

Now if you deliberately separate yourself from God through Atheism in this life (as explained above), then what makes you think God will keep you in the hereafter? Why should He be obligated to do so?

This explination of mine should adequately answer your question as to why the Atheist will be cast into the "outer darkness" upon the death of his physical body.

pharoah

Is human sacrifice a sin? If it is, tell me who told Abraham to sacrifice his son and then explain to me why this isn't a temptation? And while you're at it, explain to me why God would use human sacrifice, something he supposedly considers an abomination, as a means to atone for sins.

darstec

WOW. You are more right than I think even you belive. Satan (son of El brother to Yahweh) is a god or one on the council of gods according to the book of Job. The Holy Spirit is a form of Yahweh also according to the Old Testament one of the sons of El. Inferred in the Old Testament then, Satan as Yahweh's brother is equal to him, a god, and therefore equal to the Holy Spirit a manifestation of Yahweh. Although for accuracy one might point out that the Holy Spirit morphed from female to male sometime through the centuries, and was probably Yahweh's consort at one time. But then god -- godess, what's the difference.

It is nice that every once in a while a Christian apologist gets a shard of insight, even if they don't understand what they are really talking about. :devil1:

Clivedurdle

pmc111


Welcome!

My understanding is that everyone goes to hell automatically because of Adam and Eve. It does not matter if someone goes ya boo sucks to God or is a nice little old hindu lady. If you ain't accepted Jesus it is go to hell go directly to hell do not pass go do not collect £400.

And some interpretations are that no one has a choice in any case - predestination.

darstec

It is worst than that. Acccording to Jesus many are called but few are chosen. So if many are called that still leaves many who are not called and won't have a prayer of a chance of even being able to accept Jesus.

Then even of the many that are called, only a few are chosen. So it makes absolutely no difference if you accept Jesus or not because his father is only going to choose a few of those anyway. Then of course Revelation gives that number as 144,000. That computes to about only 20 saved people per year worldwide if the world doesn't hurry up and end some time soon. The percentages get worse as the world gets older.

John A. Broussard

Actually, that seems only fair.

If someone is willing to spend this life groveling before god, then they surely deserve to go to heaven where they can sing god's praises for all of eternity.

While I would ordinarily avoid anlaogies, human beings are rather similar to dogs. Those that grovel and fawn over their master are less likely to be beaten than dogs that disobey--or, worse yet, than dogs that simply ignore their master's commands.

So your urging people to grovel before god is excellent advice. The more grovelling the better. Don't Moslems have to do it five times a day? They may get front row seats in the heavenly choir for being so abject.

Clivedurdle

Hmm.

A sifting process, quality control? But why doesn't the omniscient one know the answer already?

Reminds me of an ancient British advert - graded grains make finer flour.

(I left 144k out because that alone creates more arguments than trying to count angels on pinheads - but that is a myth wasn't it?)

(Is it Lilith who was yahweh's consort or is it someone else? I love the concept of the transgendered holy spirit!)

PMC IIII

The intelligence on this message board seems to evaporate faster than water poured on asphalt during midsummer in Phoenix!

Anyway, the untrained dog would get ignored, not beaten. Broussard.
Furthermore, the more accurate anology would be between man and chimp, not between man and dog and here's why: we are supremely amused looking at the chimp imitating the smoking of a cigarette or the genius chimps who can sign over 4000 words. Why? Because they're behaving uncannily like us, that's why. And it's with this behavior that we derive our greatest pleasure from them. The average or dumb chimps go on ignored.
Lilewise, our almighty, loving Creator derives his greatest pleasures from us when we act out in pure love and obedience. Why? That's right: Because God Himself is pure Love.

We like the chimps that are the most intelligent and we ignore the dumb ones; God likes the humans that are the most loving and obedient; the remainder get cast into the Outer Darkness.

PMC IIII

"I don't want to start a blasphemous rumour
but I think that God has a sick sense of humor
and when I die
I expect to find Him laughing."

Proof that wealth, fame and a mansion in L.A. does NOT bring happiness!