charmeyn

Yet another twisted interpretation, God was not recieving an inheritance he was giving one, it's like if I die I give my next of kin an inheritance. God didn't come into an allotment he had one to give, you really do need to read the full chapter's of Deuteronomy Ch's 31 and 32 consecutively, and no mention of this "El" is in my KJV Bible of Deuteronomy Ch.31 or 32 nor is it in any Judaic version's I've come across such as the links below, as I did see you brought this up before as a Judaic referrence further back in this thread, yet you don't state what version of biblical scripture you are quoting from, however if it's the Ugartic texts which is Phoenician, of which the Israelites were in bondage too , it's not surprising then why some of the beliefs of the people of Ugarit would not have influenced the Israelites so much so that they even resorted back to it after they were removed from Egyptian captivity by creating the "Golden Calf" as "El" is also represented as a bull, and some of the religious practices of Ugarit also included the worship of multiple God's, including Baal: http://phoenicia.org/ugarbibl.html all this site does is justify the reason in which God removed the Israelites out of Egypt.

http://www.chabad.org/library/archiv...2.asp?AID=8164

http://jewish.com/modules.php?name=C...tegories&cid=3

You should know that there was division amongst the jewish faith back in the Bible right up until Christ's crucifixtion, and it still exists today : Orthodox and Messianic jews for example . The Jewish priest's rejected him, yet his disciple's were also Jewish. Some Jews still believe that Jesus has not yet made his first appearance on earth. And the turning away from God is basically the message God was saying would occur that both Deuteronomy's Ch 31 &32 speak about . The only difference in the KJV version and that of the Judaic versoin is that Adam is not mentioned in Ch. 32 v.8 of the Judaic version as the refference to the lineage of the people of Israel, not the lineage of Yaweh, and BTW the name Yaweh was actually forbidden to be spoken as it was God's divine name, instead Adonai (Thy Lord, my Master) or Ha-Shem (The name) were used

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I think you've got to give him that one. Concluding that God had a dad from that passage does seem a bit of a stretch...and there are plenty of passages that say more absurd things anyway.

John A. Broussard

Phew!

Sorry, but all this is very difficult to follow.

Doesn't god, at least so far as Christians are concerned (and I'm not sure you are a Christian, so you may not know the answer either) have a father? Somewhere, doesn't it say that Christ is god and that he has a father?

Surely the OT must have mentioned, at least casually, that god's son would be arriving on earth.

Then there's the father, son and holy ghost bit which I've never understood, but there's a god there and a father there, isn't there?

Thanks.

Bold

Do you mean like this one:

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Again, this fits with the daddy god (El) and lots of sons of God (collectively Elohim), of which one was Yahweh, god of Israel. (Have I got this right?)

This was subsequently edited for monotheism (with mistakes in places like Gen 6:4), but still explains the different usage of Elohim and Yahweh.

John A. Broussard

I'm holding out for one god.

When god showed his hind parts to Moses, I just have difficulties picturing an entire pantheon of gods flipping up their robes in order to moon the old man.

Even one is tough to feature.

Loomis

When you say “God� are you referring to the god called “the Most High� in verse 8?

When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance …

(Y/N)

Johnny Skeptic

I submit the followings Scriptures for readers' comments:

GEN 11:1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.

2 As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.

3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.

4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."

5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building.

6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.

7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."

8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.

I would like for Christians to explain what these verses mean to them.

Loomis

Wouldn’t that be giving Jews an unfair advantage?

Jack the Bodiless

The Golden Calf was the symbol of El, the Hebrews were simply honoring their old chief deity (which infuriated the YHWHists).

El is the "God" of Genesis, the one originally credited with the six-day creation, the one who threw Adam and Eve out of Eden. He's also the one who commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, but the story was revised: an angel from YHWH stops the sacrifice.

nmhood

Penn & Teller's show "Bullshit!" covered a lot of what is being dicussed here. I like to refer to it as 'cafeteria Christianity,' e.g.: they take the verses which prove to be convienient for them to believe.

I encourage you all to watch it, and it's funny. Here is the link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=a+hepful+hand

Enjoy.