FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > Religion (Closed) > Biblical Criticism & History
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 03:12 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-17-2012, 07:43 PM   #1
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Florida Panhandle
Posts: 9,176
Default Moved from ABR: Interesting Rationalization of Death of Saul

Leaving aside for a moment the issue of how many times the Amalekites
were killed to death, here is an interesting rationalization of the death
of Saul:

http://www.thewordteaches.com/questi...killedsaul.htm
dockeen is offline  
Old 06-18-2012, 03:57 AM   #2
Contributor
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Pittsfield, Mass
Posts: 24,500
Default

Well THAT's a handy loophole.
I wonder how it works on other contradictions...
Keith&Co. is offline  
Old 06-18-2012, 08:35 AM   #3
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Florida Panhandle
Posts: 9,176
Default

A factual report of something that is a lie....
dockeen is offline  
Old 06-18-2012, 08:53 AM   #4
Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Babble Belt
Posts: 20,748
Default

LOL! What a maroon!

So, according to this guy, any time that the narrator is not specifically identified in the Bible, that narrator must be God?

I wonder how God wrote down the original? Did He do the zombie-ant thing with a scribe? Did He magically cause a scroll to appear in the scriptorium? :constern01:

ETA: oh, and since the narrator in 2 Samuel is also not identified, it must similarly be God who is relating the story of the Amelekite's supposed lie. But why, then, did God neglect to include the fact that the Amelekite was lying? Didn't He realize how much confusion that omission was going to cause?
Davka is offline  
Old 06-18-2012, 08:59 AM   #5
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: In the NC trailer park
Posts: 6,631
Default

When you begin your defense of the Bible with,

Quote:
However, there are no real conflicts in the Bible. There are only what appear to be conflicts on the surface.
it's not long before your on your way to concocting the most brazen bullshit nonsense to "solve" an "apparent conflict" in the Bible.

Amazingly, this works for all texts considered inerrant by it's devotees.

I realized this when I began to see what sort of dishonesty apologetics forces a person to resort to in order to maintain the illusion that the Bible is a perfect revelation from God.

I used to go to Mormon, Jehovah Witness, and Muslim apologetic sights, and soon realized they were doing the exact same thing I was doing with the Bible.

If special pleading can't be allowed for the Book of Mormon or Koran, why should Christians get a free pass with the Bible?

It was a real eye opener for me, and another crack in my already crumbling belief system.

For a really bizarre exercise in special pleading, go to one of these KJV 1611 only web pages. They're special pleading is a highly polished art form. (I bought into it for a short while in my own Christian experience)
Zenaphobe is offline  
Old 06-18-2012, 09:04 AM   #6
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: CA
Posts: 7,653
Default

"The Bible does record the lies of men."

That is what we've been saying all along!

Funny how god himself must be the narrator when no earthly narrator exists. Everywhere in literature we assume that an invisible narrator is merely the human author. Of course the bible has just a human author too. No reason to assume its god anymore than we should assume the writer of the article is god.
steamer is offline  
Old 06-18-2012, 09:27 AM   #7
Contributor
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Pittsfield, Mass
Posts: 24,500
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by steamer View Post
"The Bible does record the lies of men."

That is what we've been saying all along!
So has Self!
"Truly I say Unto You" is a prefix to an exaggeration or other untruth.
Keith&Co. is offline  
Old 06-18-2012, 10:17 AM   #8
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Florida Panhandle
Posts: 9,176
Default

Quote:
However, there are no real conflicts in the Bible. There are only what appear to be conflicts on the surface.
Let me get this straight. The word of god. THE most important document in history.
A book upon whose understanding the eternal fat of all god's children rests, has,
what appears on the "surface" (where it is easily seen) - conflicts. A loving father
gave his word in such a way as to leave traps for the unwary?

Actually, I have met a lot of xtians who LOVE the notion of a god who does such things,
it makes them feel so much better about how they outsmarted them. They like the
notion that they are the elite among god's children. It gets them so nicely around
the notion of unearned grace.
dockeen is offline  
Old 06-19-2012, 04:37 AM   #9
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,810
Default

Too bad Saul could not have been hit by a lightening bolt. That would be awesome.
aeebee50 is offline  
Old 06-19-2012, 04:45 AM   #10
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Gone
Posts: 4,676
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aeebee50 View Post
Too bad Saul could not have been hit by a lightening bolt. That would be awesome.
Would have been more awesome if he had been run over by a truck full of bibles.
Yellum Notnef is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:14 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.