saeedalyousuf

Infertile sexual practices are just suicidal soutions for the extermination of the human race.

French Prometheus

Though their birth rate is quite low, the Japanese aren't heading toward extinction. There's a difference between recreational pre-marital sex and sex done for the purpose of procreation.

Let me ask you again: how come the Japanese have a very low AIDS rate whereas they indulge in pre-marital sex and homosexual activities very freely?

Having protected pre-marital sex with various partners followed by monogamous reproductive sex once you've found the right one IS NOT a "suicidal practice".

Blowing yourself up in a subway station in order to be able to fuck 72 virgins IS a "suicidal practice".

Sauron

Last time I checked, the world population was at six billion and growing -- using up far too many resources.

The human race is far from being exterminated. It could actually benefit from a few decades of reduced population growth.

French Prometheus

Many people would prefer to die rather than live all their life under the disgusting primitive laws of the Koran.

But this is not an issue. In the West (including Japan), we've always lived without the "Koranic Solution" and we've been doing well so far. That's why so many Muslims risk their lives everyday trying to escape from Muslim land and immigrate to secular Europe.

Why are those Muslims so desperate to come to countries were homosexuals can get married, women have the same rights as men, atheism is widespread, Islam has a bad reputation, pre-marital sex is the norm for boys and girls, porn is easily available, prostitution is legal, etc?

TomboyMom

That's an easy one: Lesbianism all the way. The advantages of living as a lesbian over living as a devout muslim woman are too numerous to list. Well, here's a couple:
more control over your own life
can choose what you want to wear
better sex
less domestic violence
less STDs
no unwanted pregnancy
more and better dancing.

TomboyMom

Actually about 1/3 of lesbians do have children, they're just wanted, chosen children. I myself have 3. Also no STDs and a very nice life altogether. I'm still not getting your point. Are you saying that a way of life that avoids AIDS and other STDs, such as lesbianism, is preferable, holy, or more moral or wise? Or does this logic only apply to Islam? If so, why?

TomboyMom

BTW, just wondering, how does life expectancy in Muslim countries in general compare to life expectancy in more secular countries?

French Prometheus

I was about to ask the same question in my previous post and decided that I'd first let Saeed explain why AIDS rates are the lowest in some non-Muslim countries.

ETA: Actually I can't resist answering the question so here is a list up to the Muslim country with highest life expectancy (Jordan):

1 Andorra 83.51 2005 est.
2 Macau 82.03 2005 est.
3 San Marino 81.62 2005 est.
4 Singapore 81.62 2005 est.
5 Hong Kong 81.39 2005 est.
6 Japan 81.15 2005 est.
7 Sweden 80.40 2005 est.
8 Australia 80.39 2005 est.
9 Switzerland 80.39 2005 est.
10 Guernsey 80.30 2005 est.
11 Iceland 80.19 2005 est.
12 Canada 80.10 2005 est.
13 Cayman Islands 79.95 2005 est.
14 Italy 79.68 2005 est.
15 Gibraltar 79.67 2005 est.
16 France 79.60 2005 est.
17 Monaco 79.57 2005 est.
18 Liechtenstein 79.55 2005 est.
19 Spain 79.52 2005 est.
20 Norway 79.40 2005 est.
21 Israel 79.32 2005 est.
22 Jersey 79.24 2005 est.
23 Faroe Islands 79.21 2005 est.
24 Aruba 79.14 2005 est.
25 Greece 79.09 2005 est.
26 Martinique 79.04 2005 est.
27 Austria 78.92 2005 est.
28 Virgin Islands 78.91 2005 est.
29 Malta 78.86 2005 est.
30 Netherlands 78.81 2005 est.
31 Luxembourg 78.74 2005 est.
32 Montserrat 78.71 2005 est.
33 New Zealand 78.66 2005 est.
34 Germany 78.65 2005 est.
35 Belgium 78.62 2005 est.
36 Saint Pierre and Miquelon 78.46 2005 est.
37 Guam 78.40 2005 est.
38 United Kingdom 78.38 2005 est.
39 Finland 78.35 2005 est.
40 Man, Isle of 78.34 2005 est.
41 Jordan 78.24 2005 est.

The second Muslim country in the list is Kuweit (which ranks 57th).

saeedalyousuf

Just comparing various regions cannot possibly demonstrate accurately the effectiveness of a particular solution but you need to have the figures for the practicing muslims in various countries of the world. The same way you need to post the details and relative effectiveness of the comparable solutions to demostrate the effectiveness of such solutions.

Saeed

French Prometheus

That also assumes that we have reliable AIDS rates for Muslim countries, which we don't have.

Islam is a problem in the world, not a solution. And it doesn't protect from AIDS since a practising Muslim who doesn't have extra-marital sex can still get AIDS through blood transfusion. What's more, many other religions forbid extra-marital sex too. That's not a characteristic of Islam.

Saeed, in the West, AIDS kills far fewer people than cancer, accidents and heart diseases. What matters is the overall health situation in the country: life expectancy, infant mortality rate, efficiency of the healthcare system,... Singling out AIDS is pointless because it affects comparatively few people here, even if the vast majority of us have pre-marital sex.

There's no getting around the fact that nearly all Muslim countries are Thirld World countries (except maybe for Turkey and even that is debatable). In the 21st century, Muslim societies are poor, backward and undemocratic. You CAN'T convince us that Islam is a "solution" by using Muslim countries as examples. This is ridiculous.