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Old 07-23-2009, 11:21 PM   #1
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I would love to see a defense of the position that early Christians did not believe Christ rose from the dead and that the authors of the gospels among them did not beleive Christ rose from the dead.

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1.2B Muslims, from the same space-time, do not believe in the resurrection. This makes the Jews right - and the far away, don't ask for proof - Europeans - as always - wrong.

The historical fact is, aside from whatever many like to believe, there was a sacrifice by 1.2 M Jews in defense of their right to their own belief. That this is not recorded in the Gospel signifies it was written many centuries later - or worse, that the Gospels commited the greatest lie-by-omission in all recorded history.

There was no other sacrifce here: please tell me how Jesus could have saved himself from Rome's decree - would he have bowed to a Roman emperor's image and denounced the Jews - because nothing else would save him? The only factual OPEN resurrection which occured was that of Israel in '48, as prophesized 3000 years ago in hard copy writ. And those who villfied the Jews in their scriptures are very upset - they have a very selective notion of prophesy and resurrection! :banghead:
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Old 07-24-2009, 04:38 AM   #2
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I would love to see a defense of the position that early Christians did not believe Christ rose from the dead and that the authors of the gospels among them did not beleive Christ rose from the dead.

~Steve
1.2B Muslims, from the same space-time, do not believe in the resurrection. This makes the Jews right - and the far away, don't ask for proof - Europeans - as always - wrong.
this is 600 years later and a moot point.

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The historical fact is, aside from whatever many like to believe, there was a sacrifice by 1.2 M Jews in defense of their right to their own belief. That this is not recorded in the Gospel signifies it was written many centuries later - or worse, that the Gospels commited the greatest lie-by-omission in all recorded history.
It could also signify that it was written before AD 70. the greatest lie and miraculous collaboration is a more logical position than the one we are discussing.

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There was no other sacrifce here: please tell me how Jesus could have saved himself from Rome's decree - would he have bowed to a Roman emperor's image and denounced the Jews - because nothing else would save him? The only factual OPEN resurrection which occured was that of Israel in '48, as prophesized 3000 years ago in hard copy writ. And those who villfied the Jews in their scriptures are very upset - they have a very selective notion of prophesy and resurrection! :banghead:

side note response since this topic is tangential.

Jesus could have saved himself from Rome's decree and chose not to. His sacrifice made good on God's promise to Abraham to bless all nations through him (Gen 12). You are preaching to the choir on Ezekiel's prophecy and I have nothing but awe and joy over it and look forward to the day when Jesus, like Joseph dismisses the gentiles and reveals himself to his brothers.

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