Chili

In the "God said" at the beginning of each day of creation that excluded the seventh day which is without a "God said."

Chili

The second death is when we physically die. The first death is when the ego dies and those in heaven will have lived in the thousand year reign for the duration of time between the first and second death. The thousand year reign is the reign of God of which a representation was isolated when woman was taken from man . . . which, as I suggested above, is different for each human being wherefore Mary is a perpetual Virgin (or young maiden) and always "local' in her apparitions.

Those in hell will also find relief with the second death for that will be the time that their sin nature finally dies.

And then there are those who had correct opinion right along but were never called to enter the race and thus did not have an acute awareness of their sin nature and therefore never suffered the pangs of hell.

inquisitive01

This is the "essence" you mentioned? ????????? and more ?????????



Do what? The ego? Is this part of what you said a simple solution would be.

Aren't you forgetting that those who receive the gift of everlasting life will not be part of the Second Death (lake of fire) - that only those not saved will have their part in it?

Chili

Well yes, how else can Lord God form man in the image of God? Notice that Lord God did not create anything.Yes but that is only wishfull thinking on your part. In my view those who have been given everlasting life but fail to die to their sin nature will find themselves torn in the saved sinner paradox until they die their second death.

Yes it is a simple solution but maybe not for everyone.

inquisitive01

Okay?!? ( :huh: )

Dean Anderson

I was not trying to make any kind of point.

You asked where the concept of 'Lilith' as Adam's first wife came from.

I was simply answering your question - not trying to make a point.

The name lilith comes from the Hebrew word for 'night-monster' used in the Isaiah verse.

The concept of Adam having an earlier partner before Eve comes from Jewish mysticism.

Specifically - it is derived from the difference between Genesis 1 (where God creates Man and Woman together on Day 6) and Genesis 2 (where God creates Adam first, and then Eve later).

The 'obvious' answer to this discrepancy - as far as the Jewish mystics were concerned) was that the woman mentioned in Genesis 1 was not Eve, but was some other woman.

As I said - I am not trying to make a point of any kind here. I am simply trying to answer your question.

Chili

. . . and she is a night monster because at night our faculty of reason is put to rest and later in life when our days don't seem so bright anymore she is, or at least can be, a monster by day and by night. She is the cause of the 'catfight' that can take place in our mind for which yin-yang medicine is a modern day solution.But there is nothing mystical about that. The only mystery that remains is why Jewish mysticism held that Adam had a previous partner, which is an error (and may just be a translation error) because that would make the woman who is later called Mary a sinner and not the young maiden that is capable of conceiving Gods son.

Once again, the error lies in the assumption that Man and Adam are the same identity instead of Adam being the second identity of man wherefore the first identity of Man must be redeemed before paradise can be regained.God is not even mentionned in Gen.2 but it was Lord God who "formed"
man and "took" woman to be mans identity towards understanding of man in the image of God. Lord God is second cause and Adam and Eve will soon become third cause to be used by the woman as co-creator with God and keep her abreast of the changes they may encounter in their environment (Gen.3:6) to make adaptation possible and gain dominion as a bonus.

inquisitive01

I take it you're saying (or interpreting) that the Lord God is not the same as God?

Chili

Correct. Gen.1 is God who creates, Gen.2 is Lord God who is the manifestation of God and Gen.3 is 'like god' (small g) who co-creates with God. "Like god" is hu-man (or earthly) and therefore outside of Eden but needed to co-create the essence of God in man and therefore procreate man in the image of God (regardless of who we are).

Edited to add that there is nothing "immoral" about God for He is two causes removed from where sin entered the world. God had nothing to do with evil and therefore also not with morality and still doesn't . . . except "Lord it over to us" when we go wrong and for this we can only blame ourselves for we took charge of our own destiny in Gen.3.

Pyrrho

And do you not see that the equivocation with the word "death" is problematic? You say that death is only death sometimes, but not always, as it suits your beliefs.

If you will reread the Bible quotes I provided above, the devil will never really die according to what is plainly stated in Rev. 20:10; otherwise, he could not "be tormented day and night for ever and ever". The devil will be suffering forever in the "lake of fire", not simply burned up and really ending his life.

Clearly, God is not above causing eternal torment, according to the Bible.


Let me also add, regarding your previous comment:

Historically, Christians have generally interpreted "everlasting punishment" as suffering that does not end, which is the more natural way of taking it, regardless of how it seems to you personally. (Is it, perhaps, that you find the idea of eternal torment morally repugnant? If so, take another look at Rev. 10:20. You might also reflect upon how worthwhile it would be to torture someone and then kill them, versus just killing them outright, and how this reflects on the moral character of whomever would inflict such punishment. After all, it cannot be to make them a better person, as the end is, on such a model, to destroy them completely anyway.)