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Forgeries involved in pope's claims to authority
I am reading a book by Hans Kung called Infallible? An Unresolved Enquiry (or via: amazon.co.uk)
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I have not been able to find any critical reviews of this book, and personally cannot verify the claims he makes. Any thoughts? |
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Hans Kung is highly credible. Forgery was common in Christian history (and other historical conflicts.) So it's likely, but I don't have any specific information about the particular documents. I don't have any big stake in whether the Catholic church forged some documents that bolster a doctrine that I wouldn't believe under any circumstances.
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I was reading Andrew Lang, "Books and bookmen" yesterday, and he reminds us that in the dark ages and the middle ages, all the literate people were all clergymen in some way, however secular they might otherwise be (e.g. Cardinal Wolsey). Thus every forgery of the period is by a clergyman, by definition, and so general attacks on 'church forgeries' in the period sort of miss the point. Quote:
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Tertullian's testimony is not really as Kung suggests. He routinely appeals to the apostolic authority of the churches founded by apostles, and specifically to Rome. Quote:
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Note that I am not a catholic. I merely prefer people who claim to be catholics to believe in catholicism, or stop lying to the rest of us; and the same for every other ideology. The attempts of the selfish to treat rules as for other people and integrity as a luxury seem curious to me, whoever does it. Did not someone refer to it as the clerical conscience? All the best, Roger Pearse |
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Could you please say where he does this? What exactly he says? Thanks for responding!!! |
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Here is an interesting exercise.
Find the Joseph Wheless stuff available in the library here. Extract specific claims he makes re church forgeries. Check out the criticism of his claims available elswhere [by Roger, as above or someone else ?, perhaps Roger can guide us ?]. Then go to the online Catholic Encyclopaedia and check out what it says about the various issues raised by Wheless. Then weigh all these inputs against each other. That will keep you busy for a while. cheers yalla. |
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In the late 1960s Küng became the first major Roman Catholic theologian to reject the doctrine of papal infallibility. Consequently, on december 18,1979, he was stripped of his license to teach as a Roman Catholic theologian but carried on teaching as a tenured professor of ecumenical theology at the University of Tübingen until his retirement (Emeritierung) in 1996. To this day he remains a persistent critic of papal authority, which he claims is man-made (and thus reversible) rather than instituted by God. He was not excommunicated and remains a Roman Catholic priest.
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