Originally Posted by aa5874

In any event, we have enough evidence that the origin of the word "Christian" was derived from the Greek word to "anoint with oil". We also have evidence that the word "Messiah" was translated to Greek as "Christ".

We have sufficient evidence that in Hebrew Scripture that Jewish people were said to be "anointed with oil" ( Christ) and that the Jews expected a Messiah (Christ).

Now, in the NT the Jewish followers of the supposed Jesus a Jew were called Christians because Jesus the Jew was deemed to be the expected Christ so it can therefore be deduced that Jews were the first to be called Christians and long before the Jesus story was written.

And incidentally the term "Messianic Jew" when transliterated means "Christian Jew".

Christianity or belief in the expected Christ, not Jesus belief, originated with the Jews long before the 1st century fiction characters in the NT called Jesus and the unknown multiplicity of "Pauls".
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Originally Posted by Chili

I would take this one step further and call John the Catholic Gospel where Luke is put in motion.

Notice, though, that the Jesus of Matthew and Mark does not end up in heaven but back to Galilee he goes (probably with a bible in his right hand) instead of Rome where the new Utopia is at with Peter being the true faith (Elysium) that is occupiec by Paul as first Elisee there.

. . . it really has nothing to do with the Dutch or with being Dutch but it is true that only in the fringe is where the wolf nurses the lamb. Please don't forget that we have the Dutch masters dating back to those days that will always be a tribute to the Church Catholic.

Originally Posted by dog-on

Why does Paul have to be a drug addict?

Why not just a Hellenistic Jew that reinterpreted the LXX?

And yea, we do not know what the beliefs prior to Paul were, if Paul in fact wrote when scholarship says he did, or even if we are actually reading what was originally written.

So many questions. so little evidence...

Originally Posted by mountainman

He was persecuting the disciples and followers of a relatively little known Religious sect called the Manicheans, following the crucifixion of their leader, Mani, in the late 3rd century in the Persian capital city. Diocletian's Manichaean persecutions were concentrated in the eastern empire. Mani and followers of Mani (the Manichaeans) flourished under Shapur c.340 to 370 CE in the Sassanid Persian empire. Coins minted by Shapur's brother Peroz show Buddha on the reverse side. The Manichaeans appear quite Buddhist-Like and in fact had monasteries in the Roman empire, even in Rome c.312 CE. There is no evidence to suggest that the Diocletian persecution had anything to do with Christians, except the attestations of Eusebius, who should be regarded as the most thoroughly dishonest historian in antiquity. The Christians persecuted the Manichaeans throughout the 4th and 5th centuries and all other non christian religious groups in the empire. Manichaean literature (ie: the books of Mani, and the stories of his crucifixion and the crucifixion and persecution of his followers) were burnt in front of the sturdy doors of basilicas by the Christian Bishops.

Originally Posted by Iskander

The Dutch masters , I know them well as a jolly bunch and as most eager practitioners of inclusiveness; this painting shows them offering pleasing smoke, drinking generously of the wine of life and rejoicing in loud ecstatic prayers for all and sundry. They are not a bad imitation of a celebrating rugby team.

http://208.131.132.63/Originals/The_Dutch_Masters.jpg

Originally Posted by aa5874

[ Now, in the NT the Jewish followers of the supposed Jesus a Jew were called Christians because Jesus the Jew was deemed to be the expected Christ so it can therefore be deduced that Jews were the first to be called Christians and long before the Jesus story was written.

And incidentally the term "Messianic Jew" when transliterated means "Christian Jew".

Originally Posted by Chili

I know that they like to party all right, but then so did Augustine at one time in his life, and was Joseph not a wily carpenter/sheep rancher during most of his life?

Originally Posted by Iskander

And was not Mary a crafty skirter/wool weaver until she too became old?


And Ren the Unclean, Lord of the Dead Marshes and servant of Mordor, did he forget the gift of love that was once his?

Originally Posted by mountainman

Well then its easy to see that your poll was not designed with scientists and historians in mind.

Originally Posted by mountainman

Speaking of methodological bankruptcy, what is it precisely that you expect to learn from this poll?

Originally Posted by aa5874

Which question?

Originally Posted by aa5874

In any event, we have enough evidence that the origin of the word "Christian" was derived from the Greek word to "anoint with oil". We also have evidence that the word "Messiah" was translated to Greek as "Christ".

Originally Posted by aa5874

We have sufficient evidence that in Hebrew Scripture that Jewish people were said to be "anointed with oil" ( Christ) and that the Jews expected a Messiah (Christ).

Now, in the NT the Jewish followers of the supposed Jesus a Jew were called Christians because Jesus the Jew was deemed to be the expected Christ so it can therefore be deduced that Jews were the first to be called Christians and long before the Jesus story was written.

And incidentally the term "Messianic Jew" when transliterated means "Christian Jew".

Christianity or belief in the expected Christ,

Originally Posted by aa5874

not Jesus belief, originated with the Jews long before the 1st century fiction characters in the NT called Jesus and the unknown multiplicity of "Pauls".