J-D

The options in this poll derive from an earlier thread discussing this topic.

If you can explain another option on this thread I will include it in a future version of this poll.

aa5874

But, no credible evidence from antiquity support any option that you have supplied.

Iskander

Obviously the choice is: With people listening to the teachings of Jesus, derived from his interpretation of Jewish tradition

bacht

How about diaspora Jews seeking to syncretize their tradition with Hellenism?

Or apocalyptic Jews seeing visions and dreaming dreams?

Or gnostic Jews rejuvenating old pre-Josianic polytheism?

Or pagans inventing a new mystery religion?

Clivedurdle

Might not be Diaspora Jews - Palestine was Greek for a long time, complete with Jerusalem gymnasium. Just because they had a civil war does not mean the Greek faction lost everywhere.

Littlejohn

The origin of the Catholic-Christianity (necessary distinction because this cult was created after the 'Jewish-Christianity') was POLITICAL and not 'spiritual'. This happened in Rome, between 140-150 about.

On the contrary, the 'gnostic-jesuanism', that by Catholic-Christianity had nothing to do, stemmed from the preaching and work of Jesus of Nazareth, who founded many gnostic 'churches' (or 'sects') .

After being fallen into disfavor with the imperial rulers, at the times of Emperor Decius, the Christian-Catholic clergy managed to recover slowly, until the times of Diocletian, when it fell into disgrace again (probably because of its hegemonic aims, which gave very nuisance to the heathen religious castes), until, through the criminal connivance of Constantine and his descendants, with the exception of Julian the Apostate only, it managed to recover once again and gain back the power over all other religions, then making disappear they from the imperial universe. The rest is history ...


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Littlejohn

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J-D

Did you read as far as the fifth option?

J-D

How about them?

Whereas the four options I mentioned are (implicitly) referred to a context in time and space, none of yours are (that is, without further details), and therefore they are not strictly parallel, and, indeed, not strictly alternatives to them. The four options I listed are mutually exclusive. However, your second option ('apocalyptic Jews seeing visions and dreaming dreams') is compatible with the second choice in the poll (they're not identical, but they do overlap). Your fourth option ('pagans inventing a new mystery religion') is compatible (overlaps) with both the third and fourth options in the poll (although not with both at once). Any combination of your first, second, and third options would be internally consistent (they all overlap with each other).

I'm interested in answers with a particular level of specificity, that's what the poll and the thread are for, and you haven't provided one. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with what you're saying, it's just not relevant to this thread.

J-D

This thread is not concerned with the origin of Catholic Christianity, or the origin of Orthodox Christianity, or the origin of Protestant Christianity, or the origin of any other particular subdivision of Christianity. It's concerned with the origin of Christianity itself.

Littlejohn

Sorry... I do not think I understand your clarification ... In your opinion, what I have spoken about?

The term Christianity is absolutly a generic term! ... It is simply to indicate that the followers of this cult, or even simply a political movement (such as Judeo-zealot) refer to a certain 'messianic figure' ... The Zealots, for example, referring to the Meshiah (Christos in Greek language) of the Jewish common imaginary. They were called in Hebrew 'Meshichiyim' (christianoi in greek, 'christians' or 'messianists' in english)

The Catholics Christian, however, made reference to 'Messiah' Jesus of Nazareth, while the Jewish Christians were referred to a yet different messiah...

Anyway, I apologize if I inadvertently introduced 'noise' in the thread ....


Littlejohn

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