Chili

It is a mystery religion and, apparently, our beliefs are just like filthy rags before God. We have the indoctrianted articles of faith and a shepherd that leads us hither and thither but always away from Eden and never towards righteousness with the hope that sooner of later we get lost and be found by the good shepherd that is already within us (Catholics are "basically good" and redeemable). This includes: no bible study, no message of salvation, no preaching by the laity but lots of parties and the forgiveness of sins hoping the we will have the courage to do it again except with more fervor the next time, ie. Catholics are sinners and have the confessionals to prove it. It is a tradition that is not moved by the world but is moving the world and therefore in charge of its own destiny.

ten to the eleventh

I think maybe Chili has an unusual take on Catholicism, one not held by most Catholics. So maybe my line of questioning isn't for him. So, what about you, Inquistive? Have you abandoned your worldly concerns?

Chili

Nono, but just look at the facts and they speak louder than words. So why do you think churches are facing East if not to have the doors on the West so the sheep will be send West again the moment they leave the chuch? We have, or at least always used to have, a cafe or bar right next to the church (these days we have a hall) and preferably between the cemetary and the church to remind the frolicking patrons there of their own mortality on their way home -- and in case they don't see so good anymore the church bells will ring at midnight to make sure they are reminded.

Maybe it would help for you to understand that we must 'color our own heaven' while we are on earth for else that would also be a boring place to be.

inquisitive01

It just seemed from Chili's postings that Catholics might only believe in God, but not in His Son, Jesus Christ (?). Is this true?

If you're asking whether or not my love for God is greater than my love for anything in this world, then my answer would be yes. For example, if I had 2 choices being 1). my belief in God and 2). being rich, and I could only choose one, I would definitely give up #2 (being rich).

ten to the eleventh

Yeah, that helps.

ten to the eleventh

That seems more than a little evasive. My question should be pretty clear, and you seem to be dodging it (and not too artfully). Your choice is more like 1)Not believing in Christ as your savior and 2)Truly believing and giving up all worldly interests as he unambiguously commanded.

Why the equivocation? Is it because you'd rather not answer?

Of course, if you don't think this is what Jesus wanted, please share your reasons. But I think he made it pretty clear.



Tell you what, I'm getting off topic, so I'm going to start another thread (or look for one like my topic). Stay tuned.

edit: it'll be in GRD. I'm not getting anything to come up in the search for some reason.

inquisitive01

I think you're overemphasizing things a bit here (as would serve your purpose). As examples, the following are all worldly interests:

• Food.
  
• Having a dad, mom, sister, a grandmother, a spouse, cousins, and uncles/aunts
  
• Water
  

Now, should I give up food and starve to death? Should I give up water and die in about 3 days or so? I had no choice but to have a dad, mom, sister, a grandmother, cousins and uncles/aunts (which is OK and normal according to the Bible... we ALL have relatives). I don't have to have to have a spouse, but marriage is also OK and normal according to the Bible).

HOWEVER, if you can find something in the Bible that says I cannot have things such as food, water, and relatives, please let me know.

Chili

We/I (since I must speak for myself here) do recognize the Son but we are very much aware that he is the cause of hell on earth -- which is good in the sense that a little fire is nice to 'warm up on' but it must be kept in check or soon the whole domein is on fire.

I think that some rites do not recognize the filioque but Rome does and maybe others do but with more caution than Rome. Needless to say that this is expressed in the ritual but I am not a theologian so I really should not comment on this.

inquisitive01

How so? Also, does the same go for God, since God was the one who sent Jesus? I don't get this at all.

ten to the eleventh

Well come on over to the other thread, but leave the eyerolling, and obvious dodging, behind. Tell us how you would justify an IRA.