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Chris Weimer · 01-17-2005, 02:07 PM

Also, Isaiah 11:1 and 53:2 could also be the root of Matthews 2:23.

Seriously, though, that gives a more solid understanding, if I'm not mistaken NZYR also means branch or root?

Toto · 01-17-2005, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cweb255

Also, Isaiah 11:1 and 53:2 could also be the root of Matthews 2:23.

Seriously, though, that gives a more solid understanding, if I'm not mistaken NZYR also means branch or root?

Isaiah 11:1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

Isaiah 53:2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

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spin · 01-17-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cweb255

Also, Isaiah 11:1 and 53:2 could also be the root of Matthews 2:23.

Seriously, though, that gives a more solid understanding, if I'm not mistaken NZYR also means branch or root?

No, that's NCR, netzer... but I don't really feel like rehashing this thaing.

spin

Chris Weimer · 01-17-2005, 11:22 PM

nun tzaddi resh? So, is it true what the Jews say? Do they call him the Nazorean (the Latinisation of Nazwraioc)? And if so, is this the same root as NZYR?

Anat · 01-17-2005, 11:57 PM

NZYR, as in Samson's context, is nun-zain-yod-resh. From this root there is the word 'nezer' (NZR) meaning 'crown' (I guess the connection is to the nazir's long hair).
netzer, NTzR, meaning young branch, shoot (in the botanical sense) is nun-tzadi-resh. Another word from the same root is the verb 'notzer' - meaning guard, protect.
There are cases of related roots where one has zain and the other tzadi - for example za'ak and tza'ak both mean to shout, call out, but I am not sure how common this phenomenon is.

Chris Weimer · 01-18-2005, 12:59 AM

And while we are at it, is nazi related to any of this, i.e. prince?

Anat · 01-18-2005, 01:26 AM

That's 'nasi', spelled nun-sin-yod-aleph. Related to 'nisa' - high. Another meaning of 'nasi' is cloud. Totally unrelated to nazir or netzer.

Chris Weimer · 01-18-2005, 02:49 AM

ah, my mistake, it is late afterall. I should have caught that. :banghead:

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01-17-2005, 02:07 PM	#21
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Also, Isaiah 11:1 and 53:2 could also be the root of Matthews 2:23. Seriously, though, that gives a more solid understanding, if I'm not mistaken NZYR also means branch or root?

01-17-2005, 11:22 PM	#24
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	nun tzaddi resh? So, is it true what the Jews say? Do they call him the Nazorean (the Latinisation of Nazwraioc)? And if so, is this the same root as NZYR?

01-17-2005, 11:57 PM	#25
Anat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: home Posts: 3,715	NZYR, as in Samson's context, is nun-zain-yod-resh. From this root there is the word 'nezer' (NZR) meaning 'crown' (I guess the connection is to the nazir's long hair). netzer, NTzR, meaning young branch, shoot (in the botanical sense) is nun-tzadi-resh. Another word from the same root is the verb 'notzer' - meaning guard, protect. There are cases of related roots where one has zain and the other tzadi - for example za'ak and tza'ak both mean to shout, call out, but I am not sure how common this phenomenon is.

01-18-2005, 12:59 AM	#26
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	And while we are at it, is nazi related to any of this, i.e. prince?

01-18-2005, 01:26 AM	#27
Anat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: home Posts: 3,715	That's 'nasi', spelled nun-sin-yod-aleph. Related to 'nisa' - high. Another meaning of 'nasi' is cloud. Totally unrelated to nazir or netzer.

01-18-2005, 02:49 AM	#28
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	ah, my mistake, it is late afterall. I should have caught that. :banghead:

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