mountainman

The abovenamed professor of the University of the Rioja, Spain
has a few years ago published, it appears, a theory in which he
has claimed Eusebius to have, under the direction of Constantine,
produced the new testament literature, and all associated history.

Earlier this year there was a post about this, but then and now,
there as yet do not appear to be any English translations of his
work available online.

Is anyone aware of any ENglish translation comments, notes
or outlines of this person's research?

Thanks,



Pete Brown

Julian

Do you have a link to this in Spanish?

Julia

Toto

The previous thread is here:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...hlight=Torrens

and contains some links in Spanish to part of his book. (I didn't check to see if they are still active.)

mountainman

Thanks Toto.

I have been sifting through the google index on the author:
http://www.google.com.au/search?as_q...s=&safe=images

but without finding anything in English yet.




Pete

arricchio

I did an author and keyword search in the Saint Louis University (which has a campus in Madrid), Washington University, and the University of Missouri library catalogues as well as WorldCat. There are no books listed with this person as the author. Is it possible your text is from a periodical or an anthology? Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

mountainman

Thanks Dude anyway.

I surmise that the publication at the moment is local and restricted
to the spanish language. It would be useful to contact the uni for
further information, and I'll try and follow this up later.

In the meantime, this information was only first brought to my attention
by an earlier post in this forum (See Toto's link above). The only data
available at present appears to be auto-translated general abstracts,
the following being an example ...


ONE INVESTIGATOR OF THE RIOJAN UNIVERSITY
PROVES THAT JESUS CHRIST NEVER EXISTED
and SAYS THAT CHRISTIANITY WAS CREATED
in the 4th CENTURY BY THE EMPEROR CONSTANTINE

The book “Simon, operates magna” was presented in Pamplona,
Bilbao, Vitoria and San Sebastian. This book was written by Fernando Conde Torrens, professor AT the University of Rioja.

This book reveals that the Christianity wasn' t created by Jesus Christ.
The emperor Roman Constantine created it on century IV. The Evangels wasn' t written by Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Eusebius of Caesarea,
following orders of Constantine wrote them. This applies also to the New Testament.

This is the conclusion of the investigator Navarre Fernando Conde Torrens,
in his book “Simon, operates magna”. Thousands hours of study and
research into the Evangels and books of that age have produces this incredible discovery.

Author Eusebius of Cesarea, the true, signed with an alias, Simon, every phrase of the false books. The Evangels and the New Testament have two acrostic signs with the text SIMON. Acrostics plows hidden messages created with the first letters of to see itself.

Fernando Conde Torrens there has discovered thousands of signs. There
exists about 5,000 into the New Testament and 2,000 into the Evangels.

======={END autotranslated Spanish}=========


Best wishes for now,



Pete Brown

Chili

For what it is worth Pete, I have always argued that the gospels were written by one man because there is far too much harmony in them to be from different authors. The details are very intricate and never miss a beat if you are in the mood.

But don't listen to me. I just that I like your theme and want to encourage you in it.

mountainman

Thanks Chili.

The harmony found in the gospels is uniquely and quantitative specified
by the mapping and concordance existent in the Eusebian Canon tables,
which Eusebius tells us, were delivered as part of the package.

Our thesis is that the fabrication of the new testament gospels
was farmed out using these pre-existent tables such that
the canon tables were used to create the finished product, rather
than being a by-product of the process.

Best wishes,



Pete Brown

blkgayatheist

interesting, this seems to go against conventional skeptic wisdom that points to the disharmony between the gospels as evidence against HJ or divine inspiration

aa5874

Mountainman, I would like to know how Torrens deals with the council of Nicea, Marcion, Arius, Lucian and any other historian pre 4th century. I am still inclined to think that the Gospels were of different authors, possibly interpolated and edited by Eusebius and were written at least by the 2nd century. Of course, I could be wrong, but I would really like to see how Torrens deal with those issues.