sotto voce

Two millennia late.

'The number of disciples in Jerusalem increased rapidly, and a large number of priests became obedient to the faith.' Ac 6:7 NIV

'The brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians. They received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these things were true. Many of the Jews believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.' Ac 17:10-12

Or 'Jewish' "spectacles". Doggedly literalist blinkers, perhaps.

'Tu quoque'.

Christianity is untrue, but if it isn't, a papalist corral is better than the real thing?

It's more that their readers had copies of the LXX. Some parts of it were actually accurate, as well as familiar.

judge

I doubt that the author of Matthew meant this to be "prophecy" in the sense of a prediction (unless he was a complete idiot). It might closer to typology.
The author of matthew knows, I believe, that he is pulling this out of context, and i don't think he pretends otherwise.
He probably knows that Isaiah doesn't strictly indicate a virgin either, but to him thats not important (in the sense that its important to fundies and anti-fundies)

sotto voce

Not so far. Only palpable misrepresentation, thus far.

How 'Judaism' distorts the Christian texts?

judge

The other side of this is that of couse chrisianity distorts jewish texts.
What else could be done wit them, as they obviously failed.

What else could be done with them. Christianity must shoulder some of the blame for legitimisng a religion which should have stayed dead and buried 2000 years ago.
The jewish texts are (in part al least) racist homophobic hateful texts of an era that mankind should leave behind, except insofar as to understand oursleves.

But 2000 years ago what else could be done with them that would make any sense. The redemption of israel had failed, the golden age the hebrew prophets spoke of failed. Israel was crushed under the jackboot of the Roman Empire never to rise again . (of course one can't equate the modern secualr state of Israel with ancient Israel except in the most superficial way...unless one is a religious nut).

So yes christians used and reinterpreted the texts, and in some ways it was a positive move, in that they at least began to move more strongly away from the racism inherent in the jewish texts, and the ancient world

judge

Im sorry also I couldn't stand to watch that guy. Its amazing how much the same all religious people are. they all think they are holding the trump (and that they can play it at will against all the other religious people).

mountainman

Pontifex Maximus Bullneck's yes/no gate was the prototype papalist corral. He knew how to separate the sheep from the goats. Perhaps that's why a later generation axed the Shepherd. It didn't quite fit the bill.




The Greek NT appears riddled with Greek LXX copy/paste operations. When and how it got that way needs to be explained. It was certainly lavishly packaged by Eusebius, who would like us to think that the accompanying "Canon Tables" were authored and designed by the father of Neoplatonism, Ammonius, in the 3rd century.

sotto voce

Riddled?

mountainman

permeated

sotto voce

So the Greek NT appears permeated with Greek LXX quotes. Why is it necessary to explain when and how that happened?

mountainman

It is a salient feature of the evidence. The authors were mapping prophecies. They were not writing a history, except to fabricate the claim that the antiquity and lineage of the Hebrew sages exceeded in all aspects those of the Greek sages. The LXX was hijacked just like a car, in order to feign an antiquity for the new and strange testament.



Everyone seeks the chronology of NT authorship. There is no consensus. Some crystal balls read the 1st century, others the 2nd century. The C14 and manuscript discoveries read later.