beanpie

Subject: AND THE SWINE

WHY DO CHRISTIANS EAT PORK, SINCE IT WAS FORBIDDEN BY THE "LORD"?
DID HE CHANGE HIS MIND? I RECALL PORK EVEN BEING SOLD AT CHURCH.
PLEASE, EXPLAIN THIS.

ISAIAH 66
[17]
"Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens,
following one in the midst, eating SWINE'S FLESH and the abomination
and mice, shall come to an end together, says the LORD.


ISAIAH 65
[2] I spread out my hands all the day
to a rebellious people,
who walk in a way that is not good,
following their own devices;
[3] a people who provoke me
to my face continually,
sacrificing in gardens
and burning incense upon bricks;
[4] who sit in tombs,
and spend the night in secret places;
who eat SWINE'S FLESH______,
and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;


Lev.11
1]
And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron,


[2] "Say to the people of Israel, These are the living things which
you may eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
7] AND THE SWINE, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but
does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.

Deut.14
[7] Yet of those that chew the cud or have the hoof cloven you shall
not eat these: the camel, the hare, and the rock badger, because they
chew the cud but do not part the hoof, are unclean for you.
[8] AND THE SWINE, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the
cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their
carcasses you shall not touch.

Toto

This question is identical to Why aren't Christians kosher?

Christians believe that the "holiness code" of Leviticus was only commanded by YHWH to Jews, not gentiles, and that Jesus' death on the cross substituted for following all of those old rules.

The holiness code forbids not only pork, but also shellfish and various other "unclean foods"; it also forbids wearing clothing made of two different fibers, working on the sabbath, etc.

beanpie

Thank you for, the explanation.

beanpie

by Magnus 55, from "Why aren't Christians kosher?"
"Jesus would have followed Kosher laws since He fullfilled the law perfectly. Under the new covenant however, we aren't required to follow the dietary laws since Jesus already fullfilled them to perfection."

So, guess God did change, His mind.

4God

Please take a look at Acts 10(and/or 11). Peter was confronted with the same issue...it just doesn't go for pork, but in this instance people as well.

..also of note is Jesus, who in many ways shook the pharisees thinking on the law. The "law" i.e. Moses, is made obsolete by Jesus. In other words, the "law" cannot redeem(though it does instruct on right and wrong) b/c no one can keep it. Therefore Jesus brought "grace and mercy" so that people could be reconciled to God.

For a more coherent explanation the book of Romans is where to look. Hope that helps.

Amaleq13

As I mentioned to Magus55, Jesus does not appear to agree:

"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." (Mt 5:18, NASB)

According to Jesus, the Law will not become "obsolete" until the End Times come (i.e. "until all is accomplished).

Gawen

You just do not take 3000 years of belief and suddenly tell everyone, "Hey, you all can eat pig and crab and hey, if you touch 'issue' there's no need for the customary 7 day cleansing period". Such confusion and anomosity follows.

"Oh, I forgot...it's ok to boil kid goats in their mothers milk now...too. No, really, go ahead. I did one last night and made a wonderful lobster sauce with it too. Seems there's this guy in town and they crucified him......blah blah blah"...

Craigart14

As I understand it, Peter and Paul split on this issue until a council in Jerusalem in about 50 CE, when it was decided that Paul would continue his evangelical mission among the Gentiles. The issue was huge; after all, Jesus not only said on several occasions that he had come to enforce the law, but he also told his disciples in the book of Matthew to avoid Gentile lands and the towns of the Samaritans in their preaching. And Matthew's account credits Jesus with alluding to Gentiles as dogs and stating that he has come to save the lost sheep of Israel, not anyone else. Among Paul's listeners were many Gentiles who wanted to convert to the early forms of the Jesus movement, but didn't want to give up pork, shellfish, etc. And the men, of course, didn't want to be circumcised, which I'm told hurts like hell in adulthood. Paul--or followers of Paul--relaxed the rules to allow new converts.

Craig

nermal

Yeah, but you can't be homosexual, because that OT law still stands. And some others. But I'm [JC] not telling you which ones. Figure it out.

Ed

Gawen

I already know. Xtianity has it's double standards, the same as everything else, so it seems. My point was: Jews worshiped for one way for so long and then this upstart comes along and tries to change it?? No wonder they got pissed at him...that is if the stories are true at all.
It would be like Mayans or Aboriginies....one guy comes along and says this is the way and life...etc etc...no more sacrifices cause I'm da man...etc etc...and I'm gonna die for you so you can get to heaven...etc etc. Think they'd crucify him as well? I do.