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Thomas II · 12-03-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

Das Madschen ist schoen.

Der Teenager ist schwanger.

Un bocadillo de queso, por favor.

Grammar has little to do with reality.

Manchego?

Orthodox_Freethinker · 12-03-2005, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

But God (aka Jehovah) is also talked about as God the Father, a merciful and forgiving being, much like a mother. Moreover, the Holy Spirit is never mentioned in the Old Testament, but only Jehovah, right? So any references to God must be to Jehovah. So what of David's sigh "Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me"?

I guess what I'm really trying to get at is how hard it is to discern exactly who and what the Holy Spirit is.

Chris Weimer · 12-03-2005, 10:16 PM

Nah, it's fairly easily done. It's a New Testament derivative of the Spirit of God deified.

Orthodox_Freethinker · 12-03-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

Nah, it's fairly easily done. It's a New Testament derivative of the Spirit of God deified.

Well, does the Holy Spirit have a personality like that Father and Son?

Steven Avery · 12-04-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

The greek word for spirit, "pneuma" (πνευμα) has a neuter grammatical gender. The word "gender" itself comes from the Latin "gens, gentis" meaning "class" and referred to the type of noun it was, and not "sex".

Agreed. It is common to confuse biological gender and grammatical gender, as is done in the argument making the Holy Spirit a female 'person in the Godhead'. The 'female Holy Spirit' argument is more gnostic or mystic than Messianic or New Testament, and was recently picked up by some of the aramaic primacist supporters. One of their theoreticians and authors, Andrew Gabriel Roth, even tried to write that Jesus ministered to 'only male sheep' in the Greek New Testament (a supposed error in the text

) based on the same fundamental confusion.

Shalom,
Steven Avery
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Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Nah, it's fairly easily done. It's a New Testament derivative of the Spirit of God deified.

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