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scombrid · 09-10-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

Of course, Him going to Heaven after death takes away nothing from His sacrifice since He was there to begin with. Jesus leaving Heaven to come to Earth, take on human form and suffer as a human for 30 years, only to be tortured in one of the worst possible ways ever devised by humanity by the people that he came to save in the first place is far more significant than you can ever comprehend. Of course you don't see it as a sacrifice, you would never voluntarily put yourself in that position.

But he is supposedly eternal. That would make his 30years on earth and bit of time on the cross infinitesimally small in comparison to the rest of his existance. Some sacrifice.

Splarnst · 09-10-2005, 10:05 PM

The idea of an infinite being suffering is just absurd. All talk of whether he suffered enough is meaningless since an omnifelicitious deity cannot suffer at all.

(Omnifelicitious is now a word. I hope Merriam Webster gives me credit someday.)

Tom Sawyer · 09-11-2005, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Illusionist

I mean, would Satan dare torture god in the flesh? i dont think so.

This is what I've always figured. I mean, the last time that Satan tried to mess with God, he got his ass handed to him on a platter. Why would he try something again? Even if he had Jesus in his power for those couple of days and could go to town on Him, what's to stop Jesus from kicking down the Gates of Hell a week later and serving it up on Satan's ass one more time?

Hyndis · 09-11-2005, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

...what's to stop Jesus from kicking down the Gates of Hell a week later and serving it up on Satan's ass one more time?

Absolutely nothing if god is all powerful. And if he's perfectly good, then he also must do this, except making sure to take care of evil forever this time. (Why did god screw up the first time? :huh: )

Unless of course we're not getting the full story here, and both god and satan are deities of similar power, and thus neither is able to destroy each other. Or, it could be that god has a Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde thing going on. This is assuming that Christianity is true, of course.

colin · 09-11-2005, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mujahid_Munafiq

Jesus and Satan are great friends. They even went mountainclimbing together.

And I saw them at Starbucks in the mall with a Pier One bag. You don't think...? Nah...

Illusionist · 09-11-2005, 02:02 PM

hahah

Mujahid_Munafiq · 09-11-2005, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by colin

And I saw them at Starbucks in the mall with a Pier One bag. You don't think...? Nah...

"Marriage is betwen a man and a woman"

Women are often called devils by Christians.

"Marriage is between a man and a devil"

muhahah! It is true... but will their children be 1/4 god, 1/4 human, and 1/2 devil? :love:

colin · 09-12-2005, 04:53 AM

Aren't they all?

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09-10-2005, 10:05 PM	#22
Splarnst Contributor Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 13,161	The idea of an infinite being suffering is just absurd. All talk of whether he suffered enough is meaningless since an omnifelicitious deity cannot suffer at all. (Omnifelicitious is now a word. I hope Merriam Webster gives me credit someday.)

09-11-2005, 02:02 PM	#26
Illusionist Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 117	hahah

09-12-2005, 04:53 AM	#28
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