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JoeNothin · 07-02-2005, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dancer_rnb

If I believed the bible........

God created Adam in his image, not me. I suffer the results of Adam's falll through no fault of my own. I can't even choose to do right unless God moves me to do so, because of my inherited sinful nature. And since God is all poerful, and all knowing, and knew what Adam would do .....ITS HIS FAULT

Actually, if you believed the Bible, that sin is God's fault is only one of many explanations of humanity's "sin nature." Since none of these explanations are actually "in the Bible", they all have equal status in our attempts to understand God's nature and what he requires of us. God, however, never saw fit to settle these issues, so this is another way in which the Bible is insufficient.

C_Mucius_Scaevola · 07-02-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Darfius

Malachi 3:6 "I the LORD do not change."

So if God is unchanging and perfect, is it possible to be more loving than just? Or more just than righteous? No. He is perfectly all 3. So His judgements are necessary to remain righteous, just, and loving all at once.

If god was unchanging and perfect , how and why did he feel the need to add to himself by creating the universe ? As an unchanging being , he would not make the decision to create - this implies change . As a perfect being , by definition he would be self -sufficient , rendering creation unnecessary

dancer_rnb · 07-02-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeNothin

Actually, if you believed the Bible, that sin is God's fault is only one of many explanations of humanity's "sin nature." Since none of these explanations are actually "in the Bible", they all have equal status in our attempts to understand God's nature and what he requires of us. God, however, never saw fit to settle these issues, so this is another way in which the Bible is insufficient.

It seems to me that Adam and Eve are directly responsible for humanity's "sin nature" is the only conclusion you can draw from the bible without thinking about it. I agree the "your are responsible" and "God is responsible" are derived.

Chili · 07-02-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Darfius

God is love, but God is not only love. Just like I'm sexy, but I'm not only sexy. I'm intelligent, funny, and charming, too. I can't be more sexy than I am charming because I'm so much of both.

Hey Darfius, you must be the complete antithesis of God because I do not recognize any of the be-attitudes in your qualities. I fail to see how God can love you while I, on the other hand, like all your qualities and I am not God but so full of love that can just see it . . ..

Avatar · 07-02-2005, 12:48 PM

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He will and can not allow evil to go unpunished, or He Himself becomes an accessory to it. It is not a contradiction.

One of the biggest problems with this is that supposedly all sins are equal. Eating meat during the month of Lent, bearing false witness, having sex outside marriage, rape, murder, or simply asking questions and demanding answers all net everyone the exact same punishment.

Just? I don't think so.

Avatar · 07-03-2005, 12:43 AM

Heck, even if you didn't do a single thing on that list, Biblegod throws you into the lake of fire anyway...for the crime of daring to be born without groveling properly.

JoeNothin · 07-03-2005, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dancer_rnb

It seems to me that Adam and Eve are directly responsible for humanity's "sin nature" is the only conclusion you can draw from the bible without thinking about it. I agree the "your are responsible" and "God is responsible" are derived.

There is no "sin nature" for anyone to be responsible for. My point was just that, in order for the Bible to be sufficient for us to know God and our obligations to God, we would need more than the Bible. Therefore, the Bible is not sufficient to do what some Christians claim.

Akita_Ken92 · 07-07-2005, 06:45 AM

I agree. With all the time people had in biblical times, they could have written a whole Britanica volume in that time. So that gives no reason why some joker couldn't have wrote the bible and claimed that it was a holy book.

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07-03-2005, 12:43 AM	#26
Avatar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 2,817	Heck, even if you didn't do a single thing on that list, Biblegod throws you into the lake of fire anyway...for the crime of daring to be born without groveling properly.

07-07-2005, 06:45 AM	#28
Akita_Ken92 New Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South East Asia, Singapore Posts: 3	I agree. With all the time people had in biblical times, they could have written a whole Britanica volume in that time. So that gives no reason why some joker couldn't have wrote the bible and claimed that it was a holy book.

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