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Old 02-23-2006, 11:32 PM   #1
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Someone had written, ( i searched back for the thread and i could not locate) that Jesus was transferred from one roman authority to another. If such transfers happened, there are lot of documentary evidences in the bureacratic roman times.
Where I can find such documentation? If 20 such transfers happened between the concerned people, then one of them matches jesus then it is historical proof. If no such match is found, then it is markian fiction.
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Someone had written, ( i searched back for the thread and i could not locate) that Jesus was transferred from one roman authority to another. If such transfers happened, there are lot of documentary evidences in the bureacratic roman times. Where I can find such documentation? If 20 such transfers happened between the concerned people, then one of them matches jesus then it is historical proof. If no such match is found, then it is markian fiction.
You won't find a lot of what would be to the Romans mundane records extant, of any criminal or civil proceedings.

You will find some references, I think Tertullian and maybe another, that such records were look-at-able in his day.

And you will find the controversies about the Archko papers, sorta exposed as a fraud by Goodspeed, leaving a loose end as to the original source (dated before the fraudeeizer).

You can probably find some threads here where the early writer references to the records are mentioned (generally it would be in a dismissive fashion), however the reference(s) were made and are supportive evidence that such records were in fact tucked away in the Roman bureaucratic maze and lasted awhile.

Then the governmental record retention reform promulgated by perspicacious politicians prevented perpetual perspicuous presentation of the records.

Or they were thrown in the circular file.

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The Archko Volume: Documents That Claim Proof to the Life, Death, and Resurrection of Christ is reviewed on Amazon by our own Roger Pearse:
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In the 19th century there was a flood of genuine discoveries of ancient manuscripts containing hitherto unknown works from antiquity. This seems to have stimulated the production of numbers of bogus documents, targetted at various communities. The common motive was to get money: the intended victims of the hoaxes could be determined by the language used.
Most of these documents have vanished into history, with their target groups - 'Jesus in Tibet' enthusiasts and the like. The Archko volume is one that has not. It was first published in 1884 under the title "The Archaeological and the Historical Writings of the Sanhedrin and Talmuds of the Jews..." and repackaged, reedited and revised as "The Archko Volume" (2nd Edition) during the life of W.D.Mahan, its author (I have both a 1884 and a 1905 edition - Mahan died in 1906).

After some difficulty I procured a first edition. One document -'Eli and the Story of the Magi' has been omitted altogether from subsequent editions, without any mention of why. There is, of course, a good reason for this. Apparently the text is copied verbatim from the novel "Ben Hur" (publ. 1880). . . .
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So what should Christians think? I was reminded of some wise words by the ancient Christian writer, Tertullian: "Manifold are the ways in which the devil has sought to undermine the truth. He is now trying to crush it, by pretending to defend it" (Adversus Praxean 1, 1). Spiritually this is a snare - inviting Christians to put their trust in something false, in the hope of convincing them, when the fraud is revealed, that the bible too is false. Commercially it is circulated for money, since its fraudulent nature has been known for over a century. If something seems too good to be true - it is. So is this.
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