deadman_932

In psychology, this is called "projection," where an individual PROJECTS self-possessed attributes onto others.

The fact is that none of the facts support your view. The history of the Ezekiel claims are interesting...but as prophecies they fail, and only the most rabid literalists (like you and arnie and huguenot) are willing to defend "inerrancy" there...and in fact, only do so with underhanded tactics and sophomoric games.

Take a look in the mirror for "self-delusion" and quit blaming others if you feel threatened by truth.

Jack the Bodiless

Actually, no. It could well have originated as a historian's guess. Presumably the buildings of Ushu would have been the most readily-available source of stone, and somebody guessed or calculated that they'd need a lot of it.

Jack the Bodiless

Wow, not even one of my points answered.

OK, you've surrendered.

Sheshonq

Yes.

Sheshonq

The other thing to note is that it doesn't surprise me at all that arnoldo would cut/paste from someone else's work and not give proper attribution.

Sheshonq

Already thought about it more than you ever will. I'm correct.

So? That was pretty obviously going to happen. Babylon was a mighty empire and neither Israel nor Judah were anything more than gnats on the windshield.

The problem is that the prophecy says he would attack and conquer Tyre. Last time I checked, Tyre is more than just the mainland colonies.

Oh, and the attack on the mainland did not take 13 years. The mainland was quickly steamrolled. What took 13 years was the failed siege of the island - that is the historical fact.

Prophecy fails! :rolling:

Except the prophecy says he will destroy ALL of Tyre.
Prophecy fails! :rolling:

Which doesn't matter, since:

1. Ezekiel names Nebuchadnezzar, not Alexander, as the person to destroy the city;
2. Not even Alexander destroyed Tyre fully;
3. Tyre recovered in less than 20 years and was a major power again.

All of which contradict Ezekiel. Prophecy fails! :rolling:

Result? Tyre fought Nebuchadnezzar to a standstill and was not conquered. Result? Tyre recovered from Alexander.
Result? The city was not thrown into the sea; only the rubble from the mainland colonies was.
Result? Prophecy fails! :rolling:

Sheshonq

The only person around here revising history are you & sugarhitman.

Oh, and by the way: you've been asked about a dozen time to prove your claim that Nebuchadnezzar had no means to attack the island. For someone who runs like a coward every time that challenge comes up, you're in a poor position to be telling other people what history does or doesn't say.

Sheshonq

The moderators have already warned you about quoting a long chunk of discussion, only to add a challenge or a bluff at the end of it.

If needed, we can get them involved again.

Sheshonq

Unfortunately, this says nothing about rubble. It says that the harbors are under the present city.

What's more, the Britannica citation says that the Phoenician town, for the most part, is under the present-day city.

This contradicts Ezekiel, who claimed it would all be in the WATER.

Prophecy fails! :rolling:

spin

I've seen the claim often enough before, but never with source. Pliny the Elder has a source which claims to have measured the circumference of Palae Tyre, so it would seem to have been there for the measurment. Oh well, if not Arrian, maybe Quintus Curtius Rufus has it if I can locate that text.

(If Tyre had walls 150 feet high, then it must have had a quarry.)


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