Chili

That is the whole point of the story!

Nazareth (whatever that name means) is that 'little big city of faith' that existed only in the mind of Joseph that he protected with all his integrity as an upright Jew and [big] sinner as co-creator with God and so a carpenter by metaphor . . . but really was a rancher to have 12 shepherds that he converted to apostels after his conversion, which makes the gosples clearly a melodrama starting at midlife when Joseph had reached the end of his world and did a 180 to get back to Eden , , , and that is where the story of Jesus begins and is there only to show us how to get our ass out purgatory in a hurry and has nothing to do with Christianity as we know it today because that is when and where religion comes to an end = no temple in the new Jerusalem and no sea in the new world for the transfigured man.

Of course it is historical but maybe not quite the way some people think it should be.

Chili

The words "son of God" should never be found in Mark in reference to Jesus because Mark's Jesus goes back to Galilee instead of heaven and so he was not the son of God but an imposter instead and actually went to hell if prolonged suffering to never enjoy heaven on earth is equal to hell.

It is also totally absurd to look for a human Jesus to validate a historical Jesus because the very nature of being 'a Jesus' is to be 'not human' as Galilean-by-nature (in origin) that we call Purgatorians in Catholicism . . . wherefore then we have Jesuits as chosen-and-called in the freedom of Christ among Catholics who are sinners for sure.

Note that to be hu-man means to be earthly (from humi) and sinner as humans who are divided between the TOL (tree of life) and the TOL (tree of knowledge) and so between heaven as man in the image of God and earth as 'like god' projected in Gen.3 for whom no material cause was assigned and thus remained a figment of the imgination for sure. So here then to look for a human Jesus is a contradiction in terms and the purpose of the Gospels is to show that Jesus was not human while still walk among men on this earth . . . wherefore then Pilate looked at 'the man' and did not see 'the human condition' that so prompted the crucifixion that John's Jesus sought to achieve and did it with the words "it is finished."

So Mark is wrong and the word "son of God" is added to comfort suffering servants to gain favor with God and with men and so to find a Jesus in the manner of God is not possible for humans on earth . . . if only that they are the ones who must pull 'the old hide off from him' to find freedom on earth where walking on water is like walking on stone.

Chili

The above are all apearances and not facts that we see with our mind when we look with our eyes and so you are citing what your mind perceives to be true while the gospeler wrote from a different mind that the wants us to find agreement with.

1 Is a monoploid rebirth in the mind of humans and fathered is the wrong word since begotten not made does not imply fathering.
2. Baptism is evidence of heaven on earth that prompts glossolalia as non-rational speach wherein the stream of words flows over the dam that first created Adam (the voicebox where reason is added in 'conventional' speech).
3. Very simply the choice to be made between heaven and earth and the question really is: do you want to proceed at the cost of humanity.
4. Making sense of one's own past and see determinsm at work in life as co-creator with the master (left and right brain wherein all primary premisses always originate from our right brain).
5. Just bringing the sheep home as master with 12 productive shepherds in charge = required to gain omniscience and not feel ran over by the Q train as in Heart of Darkness.
6.The unexamined life is not worth living comes to mind wherein humans bare fruit at about the same age as a fig tree in John.
7.He obviously was a charismatic who could 'zap' people to life with no further promises made.
8.Just walking on thruth that was set aside to give humans dry land to walk on as outsiders.
9.A natural response to the relealization that every bush is a burning bush and so earth is crammed with heaven = heaven on earth.
10.Is a must to gain freedom in the soul where persistent evils such as sins of the clan, tribe and nation are held captive as well = unrestricted liberty.
11.With the veil fully rent he is free to go from 'left to right' in his own mind.
12.With the Omega raised the Alpha is the basis of all and the left brain just tags along.

Solo

What should we pour on this ? Caesar, French or Thousand Island ?

Jiri

Chili

Well you know that at that time there was no 'holy water' as of yet so any water would do, but do only for adults who had a desire to belong and so for which the gifts of the spirit were in evidence and hence the proverbial lineage of Luke manifest.

Let me add that it was revealed and back past David to Adam to God it goes, wherefore then ours will stop at infallible Rome in Christen domain.

Chili

. . . and of course Nazareth is the Ark [of the New Covenant] that nobody can find and so to make it easy the Church has given us each one of those so that we do not have to look for one to make us believe . . . and 'Baptism Candle' is what they call it that sets us apart on a journey alone but in the company of Saints to make it Holy, and whole as guide for us by day and by night that we may arrive there in the advent of our own life and see the single white candle in the Advent Wreath as our very own and find therein a ray of light on the darkest night of our soul and so on the night before Christmas wherein we come full circle in life.

. . . and if he had known unstructured space is a deluge
and stocked his life house-boat with all the animals,
even the wolves [to keep goats away],
he may have floated.

But obstinate he stated,
the land is solid and stamped,
watching his foot sink down thru stone
up to the knee.

Oh I forgot . . . we call her Mary who is the most enigmatic off all and as deep as wide waters are wide.